More Tory sleaze

The fact is that the allegations are there, he would appear to be a piece of work, and as Urmstongran has shown with her post, the disgust is not based on party politics, it is based on him being an unsuitable person for the job, irrespective of his party affiliation. Whataboutery is not relevant here, the man is a disgrace, and quite possible a security risk if he has, as has been alleged, taken a loan from a Russian who was flagged by the FCA as high risk, seems to have a cocaine habit, and is a sexual predator. The Labour party and the LibDems have had their unsavoury members too, and have dealt with it; I fail to see the relevance. By the way, in your fevered desire to distract from this shameful episode, some of you have assumed that all those critical of this man's behaviour are 'Labourites', not correct, but can we assume that those trying to deflect from this are 'Johnsonites'?

Coastpath

Perhaps she believed she could trust him to do the decent thing, that he would just go home or at worst, just go to sleep.

At the last election over 36,000 people voted for him (55% of the vote). They obviously thought they could trust him. He's obviously a convincing and persuasive dirt bag.

Yes, Coastpath exactly what I thought.

Which was very naive.

He’s married with 2 children too. Shameful behaviour.
I feel sorry for his wife and kids.

Perhaps she believed she could trust him to do the decent thing, that he would just go home or at worst, just go to sleep.

At the last election over 36,000 people voted for him (55% of the vote). They obviously thought they could trust him. He's obviously a convincing and persuasive dirt bag.

Callistemon21

volver

vegansrock

So that fact that there are incidents in all parties makes this one ok? And we’ve all got to blame the woman involved too don’t forget

I think you'll find that blaming the woman started on this thread at 21:45 last night.

If you're meaning me (yet again) just say so.

You have a habit of twisting what say volver.

I'm not blaming the woman for this man's appalling behaviour - but would you have done that?
Not blame at all, just wondering why she was so naive?

Perhaps some others on here might have done the same, wrongly assuming the man concerned would have behaved as he should and left the house when asked.

Yes Call, I meant your post.

You tell us you would never have done that, but we don’t know anything about this woman. (Well, I don’t, at least) Was she young? Was she under the influence of drink or drugs? Was he her boss? Was she terrified having a powerful man in her house? Whatever the situation, what you say starts to paint a picture of a woman who isn’t like “us”, so its hardly surprising what happened to her, is it? Next step, somebody starts thinking “she deserved it, silly mare”. Next step, “poor man, what do you expect to have happened?” It’s a slippery slope and it seems that people can’t see that.

So please don't accuse me of "twisting what you say". Accept that maybe I, and others, can see nuances of which you are entirely unaware.

Maybe she tried to? or maybe she felt threatened by him? or maybe she didn't think he would do something like that?

Lots of people have trauma responses to stressful situations. Which could mean doing nothing or pretending everything was normal.

JaneJudge

If he stripped naked and sexually assaulted her he needs to be charged surely? especially as she couldn'y get him to leave her home.

I imagine lots of us who post here and our daughters have been put in situations by men that are frightening and that we felt we had no control over. I don't think it matters if that makes us naive.

Yes, he is a sleaze-ball, he's a sex pest, a danger to woman.
He should be charged before more get assaulted.

I imagine lots of us who post here and our daughters have been put in situations by men that are frightening and that we felt we had no control over. I don't think it matters if that makes us naive.

That's why I wouldn't go to bed with him still in the house - would you?
I'd have kicked him out or left myself.

Coastpath

There have been so many failings in the past, but now we could change things by all campaigning for better not harping on about the past. Labour and libdem aren't in power, Tory are and they are doing a shameful job.

Thank you for that breath of fresh air Coastpath. It was getting a little stale with the same old same old.

We could change it but it will be difficult. In so many countries the Russian backed politicians are aiming at an Oligarchy with "less of the democracy, please" being the order of the day.

When the "Tory Lovers" attempt to derail any post where because they don't like the truth, we know progress is being made.

They try not to hear what people are saying but, currently, Rishi Sunak "I will give to those working but not to the poor" is dropping. Those thinking he is doing badly have overtaken those who think he is doing well.

Sunak: 33% Bad job 27% Good job
Johnson: 63% Bad job. 32% Good job.
Government approval: 24% Approve. 54% Disapprove
Likely to vote Conservative in the next election: 3.72

Open your eyes "Tory lovers". People have seen through the lies and obfuscation.

If he stripped naked and sexually assaulted her he needs to be charged surely? especially as she couldn'y get him to leave her home.

I imagine lots of us who post here and our daughters have been put in situations by men that are frightening and that we felt we had no control over. I don't think it matters if that makes us naive.

volver

vegansrock

So that fact that there are incidents in all parties makes this one ok? And we’ve all got to blame the woman involved too don’t forget

I think you'll find that blaming the woman started on this thread at 21:45 last night.

If you're meaning me (yet again) just say so.

You have a habit of twisting what say volver.

I'm not blaming the woman for this man's appalling behaviour - but would you have done that?
Not blame at all, just wondering why she was so naive?

Perhaps some others on here might have done the same, wrongly assuming the man concerned would have behaved as he should and left the house when asked.

What a sleazeball he is. I for one cannot defend the indefensible. I’m ashamed by his behaviour. I’m glad he isn’t my MP. Or worse - a family member or friend.

Gillycats

As usual the truth hurts the Labourites. How dare anyone even suggest that Labour and Lib Dems aren’t squeaky clean….(antisemitism, domestic violence, fraud, threatening an acid attack - I’d have thought they’d be more concerning but apparently not for anyone who isn’t a Tory).

Who is saying the other parties are squeaky clean?

That post is not a "truth". The Tories wouldn't know what that was even if God came down and told them what a truth was. Why should anyone believe they are either moral or truthful.

All the Tories I have seen over the last decade plus have just been out to exploit others for their own ends.

Sex, drugs and dodgy Russian money ought to be enough to get him sacked from any job surely?

Hes finished surely, allegations from three different women, numbers shouldnt matter but realistically they do.

vegansrock

So that fact that there are incidents in all parties makes this one ok? And we’ve all got to blame the woman involved too don’t forget

I think you'll find that blaming the woman started on this thread at 21:45 last night.

Gillycats

As usual the truth hurts the Labourites. How dare anyone even suggest that Labour and Lib Dems aren’t squeaky clean….(antisemitism, domestic violence, fraud, threatening an acid attack - I’d have thought they’d be more concerning but apparently not for anyone who isn’t a Tory).

Am I right in thinking that the MP’s concerned we’re removed from the Party? And, let’s not forget, it was the PM himself who agreed to help a friend get someone beaten up.

So your child comes home from school having been caught say blatantly bullying another pupil and cheating in exams . He/she says ah but some pupils did something like that last year. Do you say that makes it ok?

So that fact that there are incidents in all parties makes this one ok? And we’ve all got to blame the woman involved too don’t forget

There are incidents/scandals in all parties. What is shocking is the unprecedented number in the current government.
Just since the last election and off the top of my head, there’s been Partygate, PPE, Owen Paterson, Priti Patel, Matt Hancock, Rob Roberts, Daniel Kawynski (probably spelt that wrong), and Greensill. In three years.

There have been so many failings in the past, but now we could change things by all campaigning for better not harping on about the past. Labour and libdem aren't in power, Tory are and they are doing a shameful job.

As usual the truth hurts the Labourites. How dare anyone even suggest that Labour and Lib Dems aren’t squeaky clean….(antisemitism, domestic violence, fraud, threatening an acid attack - I’d have thought they’d be more concerning but apparently not for anyone who isn’t a Tory).

Sussexborn

Obviously not in the eyes of the diehard Tory haters. It’s ok to turn a blind eye to any left wing failings but Tory failings must be picked over and over.

No one is turning a blind eye to the faults of MPs of the other parties. They were criticised/chastised/fined as appropriate when their failings were discovered. We are now talking about the current govt and their actions. Their behaviour, it seems to me, is far worse than anything else mentioned on here.

I think it's good that there are some diehard Tory haters on here - how else would you find about the wrongs in society at the moment? Maybe you don't think that they are wrongs?

Well, after that particularly blatant attempt at diverting blame, any comments on the cocaine snorting, woman-harassing Tory MP taking money from the Russians, (allegedly) whose story broke today? Anyone?

Is a "diehard Tory hater" a diehard Tory who hates facing up to the truth ?

Obviously not in the eyes of the diehard Tory haters. It’s ok to turn a blind eye to any left wing failings but Tory failings must be picked over and over.