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Are the Royal Family losing their touch?

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volver Sun 03-Apr-22 16:22:31

A couple of weeks ago we had the disastrous PR associated with the Caribbean tour, and now the judgement of the Queen is being questioned, for giving Prince Andrew such a prominent role in the Duke of Edinburgh's memorial service.

The position of the Royal Family depends very strongly on their acceptance by, and the support of, the public both here and overseas; are they losing that?

Joane123 Sat 14-May-22 18:29:58

I wouldn't want volver to be banned: enjoy her posts and contributions, makes a lot of sense imho.

Mollygo Sat 14-May-22 18:24:07

Grany The HoS is not elected or accountable to anyone ???
-so how will the HoS be appointed? Regardless of whether you’re anti monarchy or not . . .
What is the purpose of:
-Spending vast sums each time on deciding who will be HoS? (Or will it only be a select few who have a say in who gets the job?)
-Financing the dwelling place of the HoS?
-Funding the post, whether or not the person chosen is another person who knows how to work the system to preserve their existing wealth or a person who has or will develop nest-feathering skills?
-Providing security measures

Callistemon21 Sat 14-May-22 18:17:32

I can think of many Presidents who would be considered against the common good.
And other Monarchies in fact.

But not the British Monarchy.

Grany Sat 14-May-22 18:10:12

Against the common good.

Grany Sat 14-May-22 18:08:24

The HoS is not elected or accountable to anyone.The 'stabilising' function of monarchy itself may be against the commonwealth good, because it perpetuates the exercise of power by an established hereditary elite, providing constitutional safeguards only for the interests of that establishment. That is the problem of monarchy.

Callistemon21 Sat 14-May-22 18:04:40

Yes everybody is entitled to their opinion. And I'm sorry about this, but every time a President is talked about, somebody, not always the people on this thread, will say "Imagine xyz becoming president" or "presidents are always political". It is not original, it is very wearing and it doesn't add anything to the conversation.

Or "Look at the Irish Presidents, how wonderful are they?"
But who are they?

Aveline Sat 14-May-22 17:24:25

Quite right.

Lucca Sat 14-May-22 17:22:52

Jaberwok, good for you saying that ?

Lucca Sat 14-May-22 17:22:07

lemsip

volver

I can't even find the words.

Well I can, but I'd be banned.

oh please find the words, .... about time you were banned!

How rude . Why should she be banned ? Because she says what she thinks ? Just like all of us.

Is your comment in the spirit of GN ?

Jaberwok Sat 14-May-22 17:20:48

Oh dear Lemsip. volver and I will never agree over anything political, but I certainly don't think she should be banned. That's going too far.

lemsip Sat 14-May-22 17:05:04

volver

I can't even find the words.

Well I can, but I'd be banned.

oh please find the words, .... about time you were banned!

Joseanne Sat 14-May-22 17:03:22

Often life consists of impatiently waiting for the next milestone which suits your thinking. A new (better) government, a new (better) regime, a new (better) leader, a new (better) system etc. But when it comes along it often turns out to be no better, just different.
Your last sentence reminded me nandad of the saying that comparison is the thief of joy, and at this moment a bit of joy and celebration is well needed.

nandad Sat 14-May-22 16:52:23

Oh, and don’t get me started on Saint Mandela!

nandad Sat 14-May-22 16:51:16

Yes, please do volver. Because so far you haven’t really said anything that would convince me that doing away with the monarchy and replacing it with an elected HoS would be any different. Except that we would lose a lot of tourism that our antiquated system of monarchy brings to this country. Oh, and don’t forget there’s a jubilee being celebrated next month. Try getting into a hotel in London.

BTW have to point out that I am not a royalist, quite the contrary, but unless we have something better to replace it with, I can’t get that worked up about something that brings joy to millions.

Anniebach Sat 14-May-22 16:42:47

Do find the words volver

Aveline Sat 14-May-22 16:29:11

smile

volver Sat 14-May-22 16:27:51

I can't even find the words.

Well I can, but I'd be banned.

Aveline Sat 14-May-22 16:26:27

volver why not go for a nice walk? I'm sure you could find a change of people to argue with if you did and the fresh air would do you good. grin

volver Sat 14-May-22 16:14:15

See Aveline? See what I mean?

nandad Sat 14-May-22 16:09:10

Is Putin an elected HoS? Just asking.

volver Sat 14-May-22 15:55:24

Joseanne

Did you read what Deborah James said about him only yesterday volver? I mean apart from how kind and generous he was to her family.
He is clearly passionate about improving oncology outcomes as the President of the Royal Marsden.
Considering 1 in 2 of the population ends up with cancer, I would say he has a good understanding behind the eyes.

But with respect Joseanne. I had dinner with a friend this week who suffered from cancer and they are passionate about improving oncology outcomes too. And it wasn't Prince William.

We'll never agree.

Grandma70s Sat 14-May-22 15:50:48

Yammy

Calendargirl

Gilly3

6 years ago. Why does PA always hog that front seat? Has he got a leg problem?

I don’t know what occasion that was, but Charles and Camilla don’t appear to be there, so I assume Andrew is sitting where he is because, after William and Harry, he is next most senior royal at that event, whatever it was.

He isn't anymore, Princess Ann follows Prince Charles being the second eldest, after the rules were changed saying Charlotte would follow George, women now have their rightful place in line.
I can never make my mind up if I am a Royalist. I don't think I will have to wait much longer they are all shooting themselves in the foot.
Probable obnoxious behaviour by Andrew, William taking ill advice on Royal tours and Harry selling his woes to anyone who will pay. As for Charles and his arrogant behaviour, all I can say is I waited in anticipation.

The new rules don’t apply to Princess Anne (with an E, please) and her generation. She is a long way down the line of succession, 17th to be precise. Andrew is 9th. The new rules do apply to Princess Charlotte, who is ahead of her little brother Louis. Quite right, too.

Joseanne Sat 14-May-22 15:49:00

Did you read what Deborah James said about him only yesterday volver? I mean apart from how kind and generous he was to her family.
He is clearly passionate about improving oncology outcomes as the President of the Royal Marsden.
Considering 1 in 2 of the population ends up with cancer, I would say he has a good understanding behind the eyes.

volver Sat 14-May-22 15:38:23

Yes, my opinion. I don't know him, but I know people who do.

Aveline Sat 14-May-22 15:37:17

Only your opinion of William volver. Others who know him say quite the opposite.