Are the Royal Family losing their touch?

Another ten years ?? She’s be 106! However I absolutely agree with you on the stepping down/retiring.

Well her mum lived to 102 without the modern medical treatments we have now so maybe 105 is possible.

Well I hope she doesn’t live another ten years. A H of S aged 106 is beyond ridiculous. I want a H of S who can do the job. The Queen is now unable to attend her own garden parties, let alone do anything rather more important.

volver

Maddyone - prediction: Someone will come along and say "but she made a promise when she was 21!!!" ?

Thankfully it didn’t happen. However, the Queen made that declaration at 21 years of age. She didn’t actually become Queen for several more years, and so she was making a promise as a princess, not a Queen. Extraordinarily arrogant in my opinion.

Unfair maddy she didn’t speak of being Queen when she was
21, but she was heir and I doubt she thought her mother would
give birth to a son . Why was she arrogant?

Gilly3

Not that anyone would really want to sit next to Boris.

That made me laugh but how very true.

The arrogance comes from being told and brought up to believe that they are different from other people and the belief that being royal somehow makes them special Annie. Who else would promise a nation that their whole life will be dedicated to ‘the people?’ Who else would expect their family to bow and curtesy to them on first seeing them in the morning? This is extraordinary arrogance born out a belief that she is superior to everyone else including her own family. It’s not the Queen’s fault. She was raised to believe this.

However I respect your point of view Annie.

This a world wide condition, I see it on a daily basis as I suspect many of you do.
It is not a condition applicable solely to the RF.

maddy how much of the ‘bowing and curtsying in the morning is really carried out, the press lists who has to bow and curtsy to whom but we don’t know if it done, in public yes,
but in private? The public don’t have to bow and curtsy , some
choose to .

I really don’t agree the Queen thinks she is a superior human
being.

Not that anyone would want to sit next to PA - ideal seating plan.

Who else would promise a nation that their whole life will be dedicated to ‘the people’

Who else indeed?
How many people have been unable to keep their marriage vows-to one person, never mind ‘the people’?
How many MPs can’t keep their election promises even to ‘the people’ who voted for them.
At the time that speech was made, it was probably what was expected of HM. I wouldn’t know as I wasn’t around.

I wonder if by the time the Cambridge children have grown up the thing may well have changed a lot or even died a death?

Mollygo

^Who else would promise a nation that their whole life will be dedicated to ‘the people’^

Who else indeed?
How many people have been unable to keep their marriage vows-to one person, never mind ‘the people’?
How many MPs can’t keep their election promises even to ‘the people’ who voted for them.
At the time that speech was made, it was probably what was expected of HM. I wouldn’t know as I wasn’t around.

Someone who thinks that the country is the same as it was 74 years ago.

Someone who thinks the promising to serve means being Queen till you drop.

Someone who doesn't believe that the best service could be provided by letting someone more capable take on the role and the duties it entails.

Someone quite thrawn.

Goodness I had to look up thrawn. I thought it might be a Scottish word. Anyway it means stubborn, so yes, I think the Queen is stubborn. She was stubbornly determined to include Andrew in a prominent role during the recent memorial to Philip. She stubbornly refuses to use a wheelchair apparently. She stubbornly refuses to hand over to Charles and retire. I fully understand that others don’t agree and I fully respect their opinions. I just don’t agree with them.

I have seen the royal family bowing and curtsying to the Queen on many occasions. People receiving an honour are told to bow or curtesy. In my opinion these actions, whilst seeming harmless enough, are actually an open and evident portrayal of the special treatment that the Queen and other royals are deemed to be worthy of. It may not seem important, but it is a symbol of their supposed superiority. That’s why I particularly dislike it. What’s wrong with a normal handshake? Why must it include a bow or curtsy?

maddy did you not say ‘bowing and curtsying in the morning ? Not in private you haven’t seen this

No one has to bow or curtsy , people can be told but they can
refuse, it is not compulsory,

Thrawn-is that what being removed from GN and coming back as a different name but with the same comments means? Just asking!??

Who was removed from GN?

Just asking because when I voluntarily left then later came back, somebody got on to GN and told them I had previously been banned.

Wonder who that was? Just asking. ??

volver

Who was removed from GN?

Just asking because when I voluntarily left then later came back, somebody got on to GN and told them I had previously been banned.

Wonder who that was? Just asking. ??

No idea. I don’t do that sort of thing. Maybe you do? But is that what thrawn means?

Yes, you're really funny. Ha ha.

But how did you know that somebody got on to GN and told them you'd been banned, volver?

I think I'm a bit tired of the RF now. But then again it's the endless chit chat seemingly everywhere. The bowing and curtseying has been voluntary for a while now. I couldn't bow. I'd never get up again.

I blame the Internet for everything .

But how did you know that somebody got on to GN and told them you'd been banned, volver?

I'm wary of saying anything about how GN works in mysterious ways, because they are quite rightly wary of people discussing how they communicate with posters individually

But basically, because they told me so.

volver

Yes, you're really funny. Ha ha.

Thanks. ❤️❤️

Annie I did mention bowing and curtsying when a royal family member first sees the Queen in the morning (or it could be any time of day really, just on the first meeting of the Queen that day) and that is what I understand from general reading. As I know from general reading that the Queen has a person who breaks her shoes in for her (it’s her lady who’s in charge of her wardrobe, apparently they’re the same size, and her name is Angela, can’t remember her surname.) A quick Mrs Google search will provide much information on who bows to who in the royal family.

I’m aware that members of the public do not need to bow or curtsy but I’m also aware that every time I see a royal visit on the news, or a bit of an investiture, the people bow or curtsy without fail. They also apparently back away from the presenting royal because they’re not allowed to turn their back on the royal. Of course, the presenting royal is not usually the Queen now, it’s more likely to be Charles, William, Anne, or possibly Edward. But the people are instructed to back away, not turn their backs.

It is what it is. I find it old fashioned, and out of place in today’s world. I understand others don’t.

maddy you believe everything you read about the royal family ?

No one is allowed to touch the Queen unless she offers her hand , Google it.

Michelle Obama put her arm around the queen’s back - this is
true it was televised.

The Queen is to be addressed as your majesty then ma’am !

Mandela addressed her as Elizabeth, this is true it was televised.

Are respect and good Manners old fashion ?

Too many royal experts, doubt one of them has been there when her family meet her in the mornings.

You think Prince Phillip bowed before sitting down to
breakfast?

Fortunately for most posters on here who object to any of the behaviour expected, meeting the Queen, or Prince Charles is unlikely and if they were offered a chance to meet any of the RF, naturally they would turn it down rather than have to exhibit the expected behaviour.
There are protocols for everything in life, starting with teaching children (and some adults) not to interrupt if two people are already speaking, knocking on the head’s door and waiting to be asked to come in instead of just charging in, queueing politely at the supermarket or the bus stop instead of pushing to the front, (most people still do), saying excuse me instead of just pushing through, waiting in line to be welcomed by the bride and groom. Is it just RF protocols that people find objectionable?

As for the ongoing with the obsession about how wrong it is for HM to expect someone to ‘wear in’ her shoes, it’s a job.
I expect the lady agreed to the conditions of work in the same way those on GN who can afford a cleaner might have an agreement about what they want done and what they are paying for.

If that’s what the someone wants to do to earn money and someone is willing to pay them to do it, why shouldn’t that happen?