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Are the Royal Family losing their touch?

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volver Sun 03-Apr-22 16:22:31

A couple of weeks ago we had the disastrous PR associated with the Caribbean tour, and now the judgement of the Queen is being questioned, for giving Prince Andrew such a prominent role in the Duke of Edinburgh's memorial service.

The position of the Royal Family depends very strongly on their acceptance by, and the support of, the public both here and overseas; are they losing that?

Aveline Mon 16-May-22 16:30:30

There's something about failing to learn the lessons from history...

nadateturbe Mon 16-May-22 17:04:08

Aveline

There's something about failing to learn the lessons from history...

I agree 100%!

Mollygo Mon 16-May-22 20:40:42

Volver
Its not me who is confused. Not by a long chalk.
Me neither.

Grany Mon 16-May-22 22:04:19

You might not like it, it might make some people uncomfortable, but that’s tough. We don’t get outraged when it’s directed at politicians, nor should we when it’s directed at royals. And there’s good reason to boo royals, because they represent something that a lot of people object to. Not Britain, but elitism, unearned wealth, limits on democracy and hereditary privilege. At a time when millions are suffering from the cost-of-living crisis, they also represent a deeply unequal and unfair society.

We live in a country that leaves many destitute, while rewarding one family with hundreds of millions of pounds, two-dozen luxury homes and a fleet of private jets, helicopters and even their own train. And why? For no reason than that their ancestors stole power and land from everyone else.

What’s shameful is not the booing, but the condemnation of that booing by politicians who have remained silent in the face of scandal after royal scandal.

They say nothing about accusations of racism, they have remained largely silent during the ongoing Prince Andrew saga, they have ignored serious cash-for-honours allegations levelled at Prince Charles (and reported to the police) and our politicians do nothing about the daily spending of public money on the private lifestyles of the Windsor clan.

Yet when citizens in a supposedly democratic country boo a man who is both powerful and privileged, there is outrage.

Grany Mon 16-May-22 22:10:29

The media and our politicians are going to have to face up to the fact that the monarchy’s popularity is on the wane, and that we’re going to need a more level-headed and serious debate about its future.

Polls are now consistently showing a sharp drop in support from more than 70 percent 10 years ago to around 60 percent across the UK, while support among younger people and in Scotland has fallen well below 50 percent.

More than one in four people in Britain now want the monarchy abolished.

And here’s the problem the royals face: the Queen is the one person who sustains what support they have, and the only person who could hope to turn that polling around.

Yet the inevitable truth is that the Queen will not be around for much longer, and has already withdrawn from public life, with jubilee events likely to be her last major outings.

www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1610938/Prince-william-boos-booed-cup-final-wembley-queen-stepping-down-royal-news?fbclid=IwAR0XQAefNY_NECfhUGv6yHFHWKaZOaEGlvVIHRFMYMqpHhUpJW857JuG8V0

Joseanne Tue 17-May-22 07:18:27

The media and our politicians are going to have to face up to the fact that the monarchy’s popularity is on the wane, and that we’re going to need a more level-headed and serious debate about its future.
I think that is a valid point which we all agree with.
The comments about the Queen not being around for long makes it more of an emotive -- and sad-- issue that I guess supporters get a bit outraged. It should have been dealt with years ago.

Anniebach Tue 17-May-22 08:10:19

Why was the choir booed ?

Joseanne Tue 17-May-22 08:16:08

I asked sil who is a big football follower about the booing Annie. Apparently it is something Liverpool fans do all the time, and have done for ages. They like to take offence.

Anniebach Tue 17-May-22 08:20:19

Thank you Joseanne , I thought it false news

Grany Tue 17-May-22 08:25:50

Yes they boo Establishment and William is part of Establishment elite

Joseanne Tue 17-May-22 08:33:58

Well that's a bit ironic to actually support a game which is the epitome of an establishment of rules rules and codes. And then to boo other establishments.

Anniebach Tue 17-May-22 08:38:44

A choir of cancer sufferers ?

volver Tue 17-May-22 09:27:13

I've just been watching a video of the alleged incident.

The choir are not cancer sufferers. The crowd were booing at the start because they boo the establishment at the start of games. Then as the singing went on most of them stopped booing and most of them applauded and cheered at the end.

I'm not sure supporting football precludes you from booing the establishment because both have "rules" grin

twitter.com/i/status/1525501706204741632

Anniebach Tue 17-May-22 09:41:13

The b positive choir who have sickly cell disease or have close family or friends who do.

Yes, not cancer but

nadateturbe Tue 17-May-22 09:47:22

They're perfectly entitled to boo if they want to.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool-fans-national-anthem-final-chelsea-b2024434.html%3famp

volver Tue 17-May-22 09:49:25

Anniebach

The b positive choir who have sickly cell disease or have close family or friends who do.

Yes, not cancer but

Right, so not cancer then. And the booing wasn't for the choir.

So this is a non-story. Possibly made up by the powers-that-be to discredit Liverpool supporters even more?

Ilovecheese Tue 17-May-22 10:02:30

The insistence that the choir have been booed though, is to make it appear that the football supporters unpleasant people, because they booed the National Anthem. It does not make it true. It is, indeed, a non story.

Joseanne Tue 17-May-22 10:07:32

to make it appear that the football supporters are unpleasant people, because they booed the National Anthem.
Well that would be very daft because both William and George are avid Villa supporters.

nadateturbe Tue 17-May-22 10:18:19

Quote from link
Liverpool fans’ booing of the national anthem became widespread in the 1980s and during the Conservative government's “managed decline” of the city.
The failings of the government following the Hillsborough disaster further entrenched those feelings.

That anger against social and economic inequality among a left-leaning city and fanbase have remained, and the anthem continues to be booed when Liverpool play at Wembley.

Under the Conservative government in the last decade, many from Merseyside feel they continue to be let down by the state and believe the foodbanks outside Anfield and Goodison is evidence of widening inequalities.
With Liverpool once again returning to Wembley for a major cup final, their first in the FA Cup since 2006, it is therefore a platform for fans to express their frustration at the establishment that they believe continues to let them, and others around the country, down.

Maybe more of us should join them.

Joseanne Tue 17-May-22 10:55:40

Interesting nadateturbe. So how come Hammers fans don't all boo the establishment despite left wing Newham and surrounding area being one of the most deprived in the country?

Although they did boo their player who kicked a cat. Too right!

nadateturbe Tue 17-May-22 13:55:01

Maybe they should.

Mollygo Tue 17-May-22 14:05:27

Interestingly, the fans who can afford to boo at home matches or matches at Wembley are better off than many Liverpool fans. I never noticed much support for the poor when we lived in Liverpool.
I wonder if those booing fans are contributing as enthusiastically to the food banks as they do to booing the anthem.
Booing costs nothing.

nadateturbe Tue 17-May-22 14:20:02

foundation.liverpoolfc.com/news/foundation-news/449144-fans-supporting-foodbanks

Anniebach Tue 17-May-22 14:31:00

The costs of travel and tickets

Callistemon21 Tue 17-May-22 15:39:02

Joseanne

Well that's a bit ironic to actually support a game which is the epitome of an establishment of rules rules and codes. And then to boo other establishments.

I've bee told it is to do with Hillsborough.

However, William was 6 at the time of the disaster and the cover-up was nothing to do with the Royal Family per se. Even if there had been a President as H of S they would have, presumably, booed.

Perhaps it was more to do with Wiliam's position as President of the FA.