Are the Royal Family losing their touch?

They still couldn't afford to shop for groceries at Fortnum and Masons Pantglas.

Agreed nadateturbe - my point was about the inaccuracy of the figures presented which will weaken argument for some.

Of course Pantglas, important to get facts right.

nadateturbe

From a Guardian article.

Newly discovered documents show government yielded to heir’s demands amid fears of a constitutional crisis

Prince Charles exploited a controversial procedure to compel government ministers to secretly change a proposed law to benefit his landed estate, according to documents uncovered by the Guardian.

Official papers unearthed in the National Archives reveal ministers in John Major’s governmentyielded to his demands amid fears that resisting the heir to the throne could spark a constitutional crisis.

So it advantaged Charles disadvantaged his tennents. People in Cornwall say he is all take and gives nothing back.

Its

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Agreed nadateturbe - my point was about the inaccuracy of the figures presented which will weaken argument for some.

Pantglas the figures were not inaccurate and it is important to get them right.

You have missed an important fact. During the period quoted, the New State Pension came in. Presumably, this is what you get, so are familiar with it. However, the vast majority will still be getting the Old State Pension.

Maddy is comparing like with like -the old pension with the old pension. So, Maddy's figures are correct for those on the Old State Pension who did not and do not get Pension Credit. They would have received £5587.40 in 2012 and £7376.20 in 2022-23. This was accurately reported.

However if the only income is the Old Basic State Pension, the person would receive Pension Credit - but the majority do not. A large percentage who are eligible do not claim.

The New State Pension included (when it started) an amount just over the Pension Credit for all claiming it. Not as a means-tested benefit as it is for those on the Old State Pension.

The New State Pension did not start until 2016 but a comparable figure would be 2012's Basic Pension figure plus Pension Credit which was £7407.40 compared with today's New State Pension of £9627.80.

This is going to grow to be greater year on year than the Old State Pension plus Pension Credit. It will be greater by far than the Old State Pension. A quarter of a million over 70s get no state pension at all.

Just to say that although I think posters should ensure their posts are accurate, particularly when talking about benefits such as pensions, I don't think this has anything to do with the Queen.

No relevance whatsoever as far as I can see. The Queen having all her wealth taken away will not make the pensioner get any more money. That is in the gift of the government. If you want a living pension, then vote in a government that will attempt to get you there. If you want more progressive taxation for all wealthy people, including the Queen, then vote in a government that will ensure that happens.

I'd forgotten about the new State Pe. I remember being very annoyed about the unfairness at the time. My own pension at present is less than £7000.

However it has nothing to do with my posts regarding income from Duchy of Lancaster and Charles influence on laws.

State Pension!

It may not be nadaturbe but I think Maddy deserves an apology.

Thanks Daisy but I’m not worried about an apology as I can understand why the mistake was made. I’m one of those people for whom the cut off date was unfortunate as I missed getting the new pension by exactly 19 days. But there it is, that’s life and all that.
Anyway, back to the royals.

Or not. So many people have derailed other threads by bringing in irrelevant posts about "the royals" and I find I would rather talk about pensions and benefits.

Surely, what is good for the goose should be good for the gander

I wasn't expecting the government to apologise, by the way. Just Pantglas for her wrongfully based put down. I doubt it will happen but I do think we should admit when we get things wrong.

Apologies to maddyone for not realising your post was referring to pre 2016 retirees - I do realise how fortunate I am to have retired last year on the new rate ?

Mmm.

Thank you Daisy and Pantglass.
As I said, I’m unfortunate in that I missed the deadline by only 19 days. At least I have my professional pension although it’s not huge. I do believe that the way the pension was changed was very unfair, leaving millions of people on a less generous pension. I think the pension should have been changed for all.

Would this subject be worth a new thread do you think?

DaisyAnne I don't think I have anything to apologise for. But if I have please tell me.

I am a bit disappointed that no one has commented on my posts about the Duchy of Lancaster and Prince Charles which are more related to the thread title than pensions.

I commented I said the changed in legislation that Charles insisted upon gave him advantages and disadvantages to his tennents.

So much greed. Queen and Charles gets over £40 million between them for the two duchies.

People in Cornwall say Charles is all take and gives nothing back

A letter written to Charles regarding Duchy ownership.

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I know you did Grany, thanks, but I am surprised that no one else commented.
I wonder why. ?

There are a few republican on here so not all are monarchists that's good

I can only assume that everyone agrees with my post Sun 10-Jul-22, 10.37.

I think the whole lot of them are entitled, greedy people. They are not alone in that ,of course, they share the honour with many rich and titled people. They are a world apart and they don’t even get it.

Thanks for your comment nanna8. I don't think anyone could argue with that.

About to start the first @CommPolPower event, discussing the future of the monarchy, with @pollytoynbee and @alexhallhall

@alexhallhall
Walloped by
@pollytoynbee
in this debate. I tried to make case for prioritizing reform elsewhere (FPTP, written constit’n, binding minist’l code, abolish HOL etc), and keep pared down, transparent, ceremonial monarchy, but ultimately didn’t buy my own arguments! Hers were better!

Hopefully this interesting debate will be on YouTube soon!

nanna8

I think the whole lot of them are entitled, greedy people. They are not alone in that ,of course, they share the honour with many rich and titled people. They are a world apart and they don’t even get it.

Yes. Quite right.

Grany

About to start the first @CommPolPower event, discussing the future of the monarchy, with @pollytoynbee and @alexhallhall

@alexhallhall
Walloped by
@pollytoynbee
in this debate. I tried to make case for prioritizing reform elsewhere (FPTP, written constit’n, binding minist’l code, abolish HOL etc), and keep pared down, transparent, ceremonial monarchy, but ultimately didn’t buy my own arguments! Hers were better!

Hopefully this interesting debate will be on YouTube soon!

None of the above reforms, tho also necessary, are sufficient to provide strong check against overreaching executive and abusive PM. Ultimately, we need an independent, elected, authoritative arbiter to guard our constitution.