Are the Royal Family losing their touch?

maddyone

Annie I don’t know the answer to your question, but this is what I think. I wasn’t aware that there can only be eight working royals. Surely there can be seven, or nine? I think Charles will slim everything down anyway, and I think Andrew will find his life very different once Charles is on the throne.

I don’t think Annie means there can only be 8 working royals, just that is what it is now. If H&M were still around, it would be 10, if Andrew was not in disgrace, there would be 11.

The named 8 are the only main ones now.

Annie I don’t know the answer to your question, but this is what I think. I wasn’t aware that there can only be eight working royals. Surely there can be seven, or nine? I think Charles will slim everything down anyway, and I think Andrew will find his life very different once Charles is on the throne.

Aveline

Sigh. He's not a paedophile!

Exactly.

He escorted his mother through a side entrance to his father's memorial service.

That said, I don't think he should be appearing at public jubilee celebrations.

Urmstongran

What are your thoughts on the subject volver? I know your not a royalist but I think you’d give a fair assessment.

A fair assessment of what exactly?

volver started this thread, I think we know her opinion of most things royal.

RF gets £345 million a year from tax payer

I think after queen goes we should abolish the monarchy

What are your thoughts on the subject volver? I know your not a royalist but I think you’d give a fair assessment.

mumofmadboys

It was a memorial service for his Dad Maddy.
The church is for sinners.

Yes mumofmadboys but this was not an ordinary church service, nor even a private family memorial, and Andrew didn’t go there to go to confession. He was there as part of the possibly most well known family in the world. He should have been there, it was his father’s memorial when all’s said and done, but he should not have had such a prominent role. He was extremely visible to the world’s media, and to the world’s population on their televisions and newspapers, and to the royal families who were there from eight different countries. What must those other people, royal and none royal, think about our values that we prominently display a disgraced royal, who has been accused of horrible crimes, to the entire world?
Obviously Andrew has not been convicted in a court of law (sadly) but has escaped prosecution by the payment of an eye wateringly huge figure, which in my opinion is at the very least suspicious.

Well perhaps as his mother she knows more than we know from our ‘wonderful’ media Gagajo or maybe she just wants him with her in her last days …who knows ?

Sigh. He's not a paedophile!

Not a royalist so my opinion isn't worth much, but it should literally be the monarch and the direct heir. No others. Get them off the payroll, out of the grace and favour houses.

They need to be very careful.

QE may have had every right to have him there, but it wasn't a private service. And in the eyes of the world, he is a paedophile.

I do wonder just how many of us would accept our children, if they did what he's done, and had associated with the people he's associated with (Epstein, Maxwell). Not to mention taking bribes.

If he were my son, I would be on very minimal contact with him.

Again, who should withdraw from royal duties, Anne, Edward ,
Sophie ?

There's a lot of 'apparently' about all this. The media for reasons of their own have called the Caribbean tour a disaster. Not sure exactly why. A couple of photos of events that don't look great but many more events that went well but the media don't like a positive story.
Re Andrew at his father's memorial service - making mountains out of molehills. He discreetly accompanied his mother then moved quietly off until he was needed again.
I'm sure the key working members of the Royal family will continue to be appreciated in their role as general encouragers of all sorts of enterprises and the people involved.

I think the Queen, who let’s face it, is an astute old gal wanted to give a strong message this is my son suck it up
Who knows! but she’s no push over and he wouldn’t have been there if she hadn’t wanted it
I think Charles and Camilla will be good especially if they slim it down a lot At the end of the day I think they ve had it because most Royalist are just in it for the Queen when she’s gone I think the whole thing will gradually collapse

Moving on.

The Wessexes are due a tour of the Caribbean soon apparently. I bet lessons will have been learned.

HM the Queen has been on the throne all of my life. I just know I shall cry when she dies. Daft really, I don’t know her, have never waved a flag as she passes by. But still ...

It’s in generational order .

JaneJudge

Prince Andrew has apparently today deleted posts on his ex wife's Instagram account about how the Falkland's war affected him too, which were posted in the early hours.

It's sad that he felt compelled to do that.
Its as if by writing it he was hoping people would be reminded of his good traits and the days when he was well thought of. Probably hoping that people would focus on that, instead of focusing on the time he majorly stuffed up
So he let it stand for a while and then deleted it, because he realised it could be twisted and used against him.
A last ditch attempt from a desperate person perhaps?
I never thought I'd say it, but I feel a bit sorry for him.

It was a family affair and the Queen had every right to have her son PA escort her.

I agree that it wouldn't be acceptable at public events but this was not simply a public event was it. It was a memorial service for a husband, father, GF and GGF.

The Queen was given the slack, by the public, to invite him for Phillips memorial, but it's not going to play well with other public events.

No wonder Charles, William and the rest of them are apparently going nuts.?

She is no longer "reading the room".

Calendargirl

That’s a bit unkind Gilly.

Perhaps they all drew lots and Andrew lost.

That’s a bit unkind Gilly.

Perhaps they all drew lots and Andrew lost.

Not that anyone would really want to sit next to Boris.

Maybe Calendargirl, but I was thinking of MerylStreep's comment how he often muscles himself to the fore at events.
Here he sits next to Boris and yet Harry & Meghan are seated behind him.
Who is allowing him this prominence and are we expecting it to continue?

In answer to the OP, no, I don’t think the RF are ‘losing their touch’.

I don’t see the Caribbean tour as a PR disaster, despite what the media say. Some things might have been done differently, no doubt ‘lessons will be learned’ for the future. Doesn’t make it a ‘disaster’.

And I don’t think the Queen showed poor judgement for having Andrew escort her. I admire her for doing it, and personally, I didn’t see it as any sort of issue until so much was made of it. It was all done quietly and without fuss, Andrew didn’t push himself forward at all.

If the Queen over rode what others thought should happen, well, good on her.

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