European Union President Ursula Von Der Leyen visits Ukraine to see Bucha massacre victims for herself.

n an address to the Ukrainian people overnight, Mr Zelensky said: 'The leadership of the united kingdom, in providing our country with all the necessary assistance in terms of defence, as well as leadership in sanctions policy, will go down in history forever.'

all the necessary assistance? Like, no-one else has given any?

That must be a mistranslation or a misquote. Because otherwise it's deeply insulting to every other country that has supported them.

So when is Hero Johnson going to do anything about waiving visas for desperate Ukranian refugees? Or do they not really count because they're only women and children, not heroes? You can't prance around the streets of Kyiv with your full team of professional film makers to make a slick video in time for the May elections when it's just desperate women running out of money because the UK is taking so long to process their applications.

Giving weaponry is EASY. We already manufacture and sell tonnes of the stuff all over the world.

Letting in Eastern European refugees? Now that could be a bit politically detrimental to him, couldn't it? Hmm, don't think we'll try too hard on that one.

I do hope that he wasn't shown or told anything on his visit that might be helpful to the Russians. You never know what old blabbermouth might be passing on to his Russian mates...

Whitewavemark2 I think you may be right

I am wondering if we (the west) are seeing it as a proxy war

maddyone

I assumed that when Britain or other countries give arms that the arms are a gift. Therefore we, the British people will pay. I certainly don’t think Ukraine should be made to pay for all the arms they’ve received, like we did and were paying the USA until 2006, I think. Ukraine will need massive support and funding when this is all over, in order to rebuild their country and their lives.

Yes, I am wondering if we (the west) are seeing it as a proxy war.

I assumed that when Britain or other countries give arms that the arms are a gift. Therefore we, the British people will pay. I certainly don’t think Ukraine should be made to pay for all the arms they’ve received, like we did and were paying the USA until 2006, I think. Ukraine will need massive support and funding when this is all over, in order to rebuild their country and their lives.

Thank you for your answer Whitewavemark2

No doubt the respective Governments will sort out the financial side once this illegal invasion of Ukraine is over.

Ukraine will need financial assistance for many years whilst they rebuild their Country and the remaining population has time to heal.

And please don’t mention the refugees!

volver

Asking a question about one thing does not automatically mean that the questioner does not care about something else.

Naturally I couldn’t care less about the deaths, torture, rape, life changing injuries, devastated communities, traumatised children, widows, complete collapse of treasured institutions etc.

Oh no I couldn’t care less about that

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 people are be killed and tortured daily by President Putin’s soldiers and you are worried about Ukraine owing either the arms manufacturers or the tax payer?

No not worried just an enquiry. Ukraine will end this war with an enormous debt, and I am wondering to whom it will be due. If it is the various countries, they will be able to extend the debt for decades - something that the arms industry can’t or won’t do.

Looking forward, I am hoping that the EU will accept them as members asap as this will provide them with an enormous cushion of financial help for those folk to get their country back to a liveable state.

I am looking forward to when they have won the war and are beginning to rebuild their lives - that is all I am doing.

Asking a question about one thing does not automatically mean that the questioner does not care about something else.

Whitewavemark2 people are be killed and tortured daily by President Putin’s soldiers and you are worried about Ukraine owing either the arms manufacturers or the tax payer?

Anyone know to whom Ukraine owe the money for all our armaments?

Is it the arms industry itself or the tax payer?

What's a very professional visit to Ukraine when it's about? Strange comment. Isn't every foreign visitor doing their job to help?

Hear, hear, Maudi.

Sorry, 'B.J 's popularity '. (for clarity)

In an address to the Ukrainian people overnight, Mr Zelensky said: 'The leadership of the united kingdom, in providing our country with all the necessary assistance in terms of defence, as well as leadership in sanctions policy, will go down in history forever.'(copied The Daily Mail)

Well done Boris we can hold our heads high ?

UK Support so far

120 armoured vehicles
New anti-ship missile systems
800 anti-tank missiles
$500 million more in economic guarantees
This support is on top of 10,000 anti-tank missiles, £400 million of humanitarian and economic aid we've committed to date, and sanctions against Putin's corrupt elite.

There is a huge amount to do to make sure that Ukraine is successful. Putin must fail. (copied)

And the business over the oligarchs? Who would have dreamt that the sainted EU, especially Germany would be involved with that???

?? Usual.predictable comments on here, by the usual predictable people. B.It's popularity in Ukraine must be SO annoying, and it shows!!

I don't think you can compare Ursula Von Der Leyen's very professional visit and Johnsons. So no, I wouldn't be applying Maizie's sentiment willy-nilly to all visits.

Did anyone hear Johnson say something like "this hastily arranged visit" to President Zelensky? I wonder why that would be. Photo opportunity/local elections/to help Richi out perhaps.

maddyone

^I don’t find his visit to Ukraine at all admirable.^

That’s fine. I hope you apply the same sentiment to all the Prime Ministers/Presidents who have visited Ukraine and pledged support to Zelensky.

They are also doing something about the millions of refugees who have fled Ukraine. Letting them into their countries without lengthy checks. Whereas some Ukranians who have applied to come to the UK have actually gone back to Ukraine because the delays and difficulties they've encountered in applying for a UK visa have exhausted their finances and they can no longer afford to stay in another country while they're waiting. And the UK is insisting on these lengthy procedures because some of those desperate refugees, mainly women and children whose menfolk have stayed to fight for their country, might be Russian spies or terrorists... Johnson could easily do something to get them here much faster. He is in charge, don't forget...

And if anyone is going to throw the arms we have provided in my face, I'll remind you that we have arms aplenty to send as we are one of the world's major arms producers. Easy to be generous with them...

We know that Johnson is a mendacious, corrupt and self seeking individual. Leopards don't change their spots overnight...

I don’t find his visit to Ukraine at all admirable.

That’s fine. I hope you apply the same sentiment to all the Prime Ministers/Presidents who have visited Ukraine and pledged support to Zelensky.

and the son of a KGB agent in the House of Lords...

I'm ashamed that he has the nerve to call himself Baron Lebedev of Hampton and Siberia and am surprised the good citizens of Hampton have not protested.

Not perfect, certainly, Maizie D, and lots of room for improvement, but definitely better than the EU.

LilacChaser

Whitewavemark2

Doing well, yes, but not as well as UK gov, who have been much, much better with economic sanctions and weaponry.

Much better with economic sanctions

When the UK gave the oligarchs lots of time before implementing them to allow them to move their assets? And sanctioned far fewer than others had done?

I'll give you the weaponry, but not the sanctions!

And we still have a Russian asset leading our government and the son of a KGB agent in the House of Lords...

Everyone was blinded by money.

Which is true about anyone with money, not just Russian oligarchs. Just look at threads about excessive wealth and Rishi Sunak.

Money is power. It opens doors and it pays for legal steamrollers to destroy opposition. It has the ear of governments, it corrupts governments and voters kow tow to it.