European Union President Ursula Von Der Leyen visits Ukraine to see Bucha massacre victims for herself.

Thank you for that information Maudi. I should have remembered it from there. I don't know about the UK but I hope it is the same.

08:34DaisyAnne

? I don't understand your post.

08:34DaisyAnne

The statement made by Ursula von der Leyen, the President of the European Commission, on 27 February 2022.

As the war in Ukraine rages on, and Ukrainians fight bravely for their country, the European Union steps up once more its support for Ukraine and the sanctions against the aggressor – Putin’s Russia.

For the first time ever, the European Union will finance the purchase and delivery of weapons and other equipment to a country that is under attack.

This is a watershed moment.

I can't find the article about the UK you will have to Google it.

Some people are very naive about how negotiations work. In business it is often the later meetings that tie up [rubber stamp] the bigger picture of the deal and plug any deficit.

Maybe Boris rocked up after the rest to offer areas of expertise which were still lacking. Maybe der Leyen paved the way. Someone had to go first, someone second.

Don't go thinking the order of the meetings wasn't orchestrated to achieve the maximum benefit to Ukraine. No politician is looking to gain anything from pushing to the front of the queue in this instance.

It is not a competition.

GrannyGravy13

I believe that Mr.Johnson was the first of the G7 leaders to visit President Zelensky in Kyiv.

Yes timing was apt I thought.

There are many reasons to justly criticise the PM but this is not one of them. He did what is expected of a PM and it makes no sense to belittle it.

I believe that Mr.Johnson was the first of the G7 leaders to visit President Zelensky in Kyiv.

Maudi

Both the UK and the EU are giving aid and weapons to Ukraine for free. Not sure about America.

Do you have a source for this information? Thank you.

Maudi

Seem some people's bitterness knows no bounds.

Which bit of Johnson's moral and legal turpitude can you be so completely unaware of that make you think the phrases of a child cover just what people know about this man?

then Ursula von der Leyen, now, some time later, Boris Johnson,

Johnson went the day after van der Leyen.

I've no time for the man but let's not make thing up that suit what we want to believe.

Maudi

Seem some people's bitterness knows no bounds.

As does some people's complete lack of judgement.

varian

The foreign leaders who have recently visited Kiev have done so at the invitation of President Zelensky. He decides which leaders are most important - the leaders of neighbouring states, then Ursula von der Leyen, now, some time later, Boris Johnson, representing a country which is now far less influential having left the EU, but has still given significant financial and military support to Ukraine.

I would think President Zelensky is pretty glad of the UK military support I doubt he worries too much how influential we are and I would think the military and financial support is important

Seem some people's bitterness knows no bounds.

The foreign leaders who have recently visited Kiev have done so at the invitation of President Zelensky. He decides which leaders are most important - the leaders of neighbouring states, then Ursula von der Leyen, now, some time later, Boris Johnson, representing a country which is now far less influential having left the EU, but has still given significant financial and military support to Ukraine.

No one is pretending Boris is Zelenskyy's best friend just reporting the facts and transcript of Zelenskyy's speech.

Obviously for some Boris bashers it's proving to be a tad upsetting ?

Both the UK and the EU are giving aid and weapons to Ukraine for free. Not sure about America.

But why do we have to get into this comparison with what other nations are doing? Why do we have to pretend that Johnson is Zelenskyy's new best friend and yah boo sucks to the others? Its not a playground full of 12 year olds.

Surely you've been on Gnet long enough to know that some people have just never grown up?

Actually, I suspect it's insecurity. Maybe a suspicion that Britain isn't as world leading as painted...

I'm very happy that we are giving Ukraine what they need. I'm told by somebody who knows these things that the anti-tank measures, in particular, will be making a huge difference because its something we are really good at.

But why do we have to get into this comparison with what other nations are doing? Why do we have to pretend that Johnson is Zelenskyy's new best friend and yah boo sucks to the others? Its not a playground full of 12 year olds.

International diplomacy and politics is a bit more complicated than that, I expect.

I would bet anything that we are not giving weapons away.

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A detachment of technical and scientific gendarmes from France has arrived in Ukraine - they will investigate war crimes committed by the Russians in the Kyiv region.

If it were a proxy war, one of the major forces would be Russia, but then they are fighting, so not proxy. The opposing side if it’s proxy would be NATO I guess. But isn’t the threat of nuclear weapons being used the deterrent to NATO becoming actively involved?
I’m not a war specialist, but those are my thoughts.

Whitewavemark2

We certainly haven’t given weapons away to those fighting in other parts of the world like Yemen, various African nations and the Middle East.

We are coining it in.

My thoughts exactly, Wwmk2

I don't for a moment resent what is being done for Ukraine, but it's a bit out of character, isn't it? All we usually do is a bit of handwringing.

We certainly haven’t given weapons away to those fighting in other parts of the world like Yemen, various African nations and the Middle East.

We are coining it in.

I can absolutely agree about Johnson’s little trip to Ukraine - May elections looming large.

Proxy war? Then are we charging Ukraine for the privilege of fighting for us.

Anyone know?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 I think you may be right

^I am wondering if we (the west) are seeing it as a proxy war^

Of course it is. I think that's why the West is being so helpful.

They're terrified of it spreading through Europe and the US doesn't want a resurgence of Russia as a 'great power'.