Death spiral of the Tory Party

BlueBell I so want a Labour middle government , Blair was the only Labour leader to win three consecutive general elections but he is the devil incarnate to the left

What is the point of saying “ oh but past governments were worse ?”

It’s like your child doing something bad at school and saying but somebody did something as bad or worse last week ? Do you say “that’s alright then?

kittylester

Which senior Tories WWM? Genuine question.

Senior Tories like Peter Bottomley seem to be horrified by what their party has turned into. I’ve had a bit of correspondence with a few disenchanted Tory MP’s. Then, of course, there are the ones that either left the party because they would not be led by someone like Johnson or were thrown out. Ken Clarke was retiring anyway but I don’t think he would have stayed. Several years ago we spoke to some Conservative party members who bemoaned the fact that their party appeared to be run by second rate journalists. I know Aaron Bell has criticised his party. Soames was made to leave if I remember right. And we all know what Rory Stewart thinks.

In the run up to the local elections the country lanes near my safe Tory seat little town yesterday are peppered with Conservative posters. One at almost every farm gate.

At least in my part of the world many people it seems are still all for these very rich men and woman bending the rules to make themselves richer, and laughing up their sleeves while they work out how to get away with it.

I honestly can't fathom what levels these corrupt, incompetent, self-serving charlatans would have to stoop to turn off the party faithful and make them think, blow it, I'm just going to vote green/independent/your name here instead this time.

Keep trying annie ?
Two wrongs never make a right
There is no perfect government
There will never be a government that suits everybody …but …some are worse than others and this is the vilest, most corrupt crew I have ever come across in my lifetime
I don’t want far right or far left I want some values that don’t divid the nation I want some Labour middle values and others want conservative middle values that could meet at least sometimes
This country is horrible now it s divided over politics it’s divided over Europe it’s full of angst and pessimism

I need integrity and understanding I don’t need very rich men and woman bending the rules to make themselves richer, and laughing up their sleeves while they work out how to get away with it

Whitewavemark2

I have read that senior Tories are thinking that it would be no bad thing to be in opposition for a while, so that they can try and get their house in order.

Probably the moderate Tories that have been passed over by Johnson, while the grey suits in the 1922 committee have influence there will be little change. A GE might change the government but on balance at present I don’t see Labour winning, Starmer just isn’t an inspiring leader.

Well I disagree to some extent. Yes the long knives are out for Rishi Sunak and I’m not sure he’ll survive the scrutiny into his financial dealings. But Boris? No chance. He’s on a bounce from his support of Ukraine. Actually to be honest it makes me feel quite proud how he’s referred to by Zelinsky in such glowing terms and how much the UK is stepping up to the plate. Ben Wallace as his wingman certainly adds to his stature.

Leaks to the Grauniad will be from the usual suspects in the Tory party.

I think that the real difficulty with this cabinet is, that much of their rhetoric does not seem out of place with Le Pen or Orban, or indeed Polands far right.

Nationalism, anti-immigration and a disregard for international law. Further they all distrust a pluralistic society, and media, all try to manipulate the electoral system.

That is what I think must worry so many traditional Tories.

Anniebach

When was the last government of integrity and competence ?

Sadly, that can be said of many countries around the world. I do wonder where Putin's money has gone. Watching the debacle in the Indian Parliament certainly raises questions. The last US government's links were questionable too.

The interesting thing is that if Putin has supported the rise of particular governments it has been of those to the far right and not to the far left. I appreciate, that at the bottom of the Political Horseshoe, these join and become dictatorships.

M0nica

What was it Mark Twain said when his death was reported in error? The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated

Same thing applies to Conservatives.

Whilst I have no idea how many senior Tories agree bout the difficulties that the Tory party faces, I do note that “senior Tories” have been warning of the paucity of integrity and competence over many months.

This will not go unnoticed by the electorate. Indeed if the polls are anything to go by they already have noticed. Both Johnson and Sunak along with Patel are at below rock bottom in the competence stakes alongside most of the cabinet.

Yes, me too, Kitty.

kittylester

I do really wish we had a proper 'middle' party. I had great hopes of the last one we almost had.

You and millions of others, Kitty ?

kitty what middle party ?

I do really wish we had a proper 'middle' party. I had great hopes of the last one we almost had.

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Under-fire Rishi Sunak has moved his family out of his grace and favour Downing Street residence as he faces renewed backlash over his family's financial affairs.

Agree MOnica

What was it Mark Twain said when his death was reported in error? The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated

Same thing applies to Conservatives.

Tell you what, I’d pay you to take our lot. Election called today and not one of them is worth a cracker. We are considering voting for one of the batty independents

Anniebach

When was the last government of integrity and competence ?

The immediate post war governments? From times when we were really 'All in it together'.

A big opportunity was missed when Clegg's LibDems proved they had no integrity when they made Cameron PM. We will never know if a LibDem/Labour government would have been better. IMO it certainly couldn't have been worse.

I have read that senior Tories are thinking that it would be no bad thing to be in opposition for a while, so that they can try and get their house in order.

Just because other administrations may have been lacking doesn’t mean we have to tolerate it evermore.

kittylester

Which senior Tories WWM? Genuine question.

Quote from the front page of The Guardian. Sources not revealed, but I have heard similar reports from other journalists over the past week.

I am satisfied that it is true.

Honestly it really is no bad thing. The country needs to distance itself from this period of corruption, and incompetence and get re-booted.

Cross post Annie

I dont know that it was sleaze that rid us of Major, more an effective opposition.

Blair comes under much criticism on this forum