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Will you vote Tory next time?

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Stella14 Tue 12-Apr-22 12:50:04

Just wondering if those who voted Conservative at the last General Election will do so next time? I ask the question in light of all the scandals associated with this Government, together with the lack of action taken to mitigate the effects of the ‘cost of living crisis’ (despite France, Spain and several other European countries giving much more help to their people), abandoning the Triple Lock (despite retaining it being in their manifesto).

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 16-Apr-22 09:12:00

I seem to recall you had a bit of a problem in Scotland with care home deaths during the pandemic - where the SNP are in charge of devolved matters including health?

volver Sat 16-Apr-22 09:21:06

It's like a broken record. hmm

BlueBalou Sat 16-Apr-22 09:21:14

Quite honestly I cannot bring myself to vote for any party at the moment, I’d rather spoil my voting paper than vote Tory, or heaven forbid, for Labour who have proved to be misogynistic and ineffective.

volver Sat 16-Apr-22 09:22:25

Labour haven't been in power for 12 years.

How can they have been ineffective.

Please show your working smile

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 16-Apr-22 09:25:22

volver

It's like a broken record. hmm

True though?

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 16-Apr-22 09:26:38

They aren’t an effective opposition are they? Quick to criticise but no constructive suggestions.

VioletSky Sat 16-Apr-22 09:26:41

Also in what way is Labour mysoginistic?

The only time I have seen Labour accused of that is in relation to trans issues... Which then only related to trans women, no one seems to care about trans men

How can trans issues in that regard show a deep abiding hatred for women when the trans people in that scenario are asking to be accepted as women...

I don't understand

volver Sat 16-Apr-22 09:30:36

Germanshepherdsmum

volver

It's like a broken record. hmm

True though?

And a stopped clock is right twice a day.

And other such trite comments.

BlueBalou Sat 16-Apr-22 09:33:41

volver please give me one example of them being an effective opposition and to have made a difference? I certainly can’t find one.
Kier Starmer in theDM:
Harry Potter author JK Rowling - who has been vocal on her views on transgender people and biological sex - said earlier this month that the Labour leader could 'no longer be counted on to defend women's rights'.

It came after Starmer told The Times* 'trans women are women'* according to statute in the UK, and called for a more 'considered, respectful, tolerant debate' about gender.

He insisted he and his party have been defending the rights of women for a 'long, long time'.

'I spent a lot of my working life dealing with violence against women and girls first-hand, and I know from that experience just how important it is to fight for women and fight for equality,' he said.

'We have had legislation in this country which makes it clear that, in some circumstances, particularly at the moment under the law when you've gone through a process, you can be recognised in the gender of your choosing - that's been the position for over a decade now.'

Starmer said the law needs 'reform', adding: 'But I equally - I want to be really clear about this - I am an advocate of safe spaces for women.'

Labour frontbenchers Yvette Cooper and Anneliese Dodds both struggled to answer questions on the issue this month.

Shadow home secretary Ms Cooper refused three times to define what a woman is and told Times Radio she was 'not going to get into rabbit holes on this'.

Ms Dodds, Labour's shadow minister for women and equalities, was asked the same question on BBC Radio 4's Women's Hour and said there were 'different definitions legally' and added: 'I think it does depend what the context is, surely.'

He also refused to deny that women can have penises for heaven’s sake!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 16-Apr-22 09:35:58

Oh please not a re-run of this again!

We’ve aired all that, so let’s get onto something new.

volver Sat 16-Apr-22 09:41:14

Maybe its a Tory thing? You know, a deflection thing?

Yes, but Scotland!!

Yes but trans!!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 16-Apr-22 09:43:39

volver

Maybe its a Tory thing? You know, a deflection thing?

Yes, but Scotland!!

Yes but trans!!

True

varian Sat 16-Apr-22 09:48:02

Johnson does it every week at PMQs. He can't answer the questions so he attacks the opposition, usually by telling lies. And he gets away with it. Surely it is time the Speaker put a stop to it?

VioletSky Sat 16-Apr-22 09:57:56

volver

Maybe its a Tory thing? You know, a deflection thing?

Yes, but Scotland!!

Yes but trans!!

Yup

We can respect everyone's rights

Also the changes that protected the rights of trans people in the equality act came in under the tories

So Labour respecting government legislation then lol

Unlike the actual tories in power lol

Coastpath Sat 16-Apr-22 10:26:15

It must be very hard to be an effective opposition when the people you are up against are born liars who have a lifetime's experience of lying and getting away with it. How do you oppose people who lie constantly, break their own rules, make constant Uturns, appear to have control over swathes of the press and have massive funding from Russian donors. The Tory party create a chaotic atmosphere that even their own leader admits freely he cultivates in order to deceive.

It must also be very difficult to be in opposition when some very vociferous supporters of the party in power believe all their lies and will excuse and defend any level of appalling behaviour.

Against this the Labour party have been relentless in questioning but very rarely receive anything other than lies or deflection. How do you deal with that?

The system only works if all behave honourably with respect for the law and the truth. The Conservatives do not do that.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 16-Apr-22 10:42:36

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration? I think not.

volver Sat 16-Apr-22 11:11:10

Germanshepherdsmum

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration? I think not.

You mean when a whole lot of different people were in charge of Labour?

What about, what about....

MayBee70 Sat 16-Apr-22 11:15:40

Germanshepherdsmum

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration? I think not.

They certainly weren’t when Corbyn was leader, because, in general, he surrounded himself by his fellow momentum MP’s who were quite inexperienced ( much like Johnson is doing now except his cabinet isn’t inexperienced, just clueless) We need a strong opposition as much as we need a competent government.

Mollygo Sat 16-Apr-22 13:16:04

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration?

Evidently people didn’t believe so. That’s why Tories got in.

Lucca Sun 17-Apr-22 06:21:55

growstuff Sun 17-Apr-22 06:39:32

Mollygo

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration?

Evidently people didn’t believe so. That’s why Tories got in.

Not so sure about that. According to some people, they blocked Brexit, which is why Johnson was voted in (to "get Brexit done"). So the opposition did what nearly half of those who voted in the referendum wanted. However, when it came to the crunch, people couldn't bring themselves to vote for Corbyn.

Mollygo Sun 17-Apr-22 07:57:02

Lucca

That’s most likely what happened!

Kim19 Sun 17-Apr-22 09:56:11

Well..... for good or for ill, I've posted off my ballot paper today. Not an easy decision but relieved it's done.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 17-Apr-22 10:50:21

I have come to the decision not to reveal how I vote ever again, I put my cross on the ballot paper in private, and private it shall remain.

effalump Sun 17-Apr-22 11:19:03

There lies the dilemma. I won't vote for Tories, Labour or Libdems, so I'll probably have to flip a coin to go with either Reform or Reclaim if they are represented in my area.