The law as it stands on sex, Part 2

When it comes to a clash between women’s rights and trans rights there will never be support for women, Rosie. Not from the so-called intersectional feminists on here, anyway. Knee-jerk support for the transpeople, regardless of the circumstances every time. Depressing, isn’t it?

Mandatory full time education up to 16 only Rosie and, as his resumè says that he's a Young Liberals West Midlands Chair, Freelance Sound Engineer and Theatre Electrician, Multi instrumentalist it's looking less and less likely that he'd be at the end of sixth form (aged 18).

trisher

Chewbacca

Oh dear! It looks like Charlie Monsoon might have another problem with the truth. It would appear that he left education 2 years ago and there was no prom. So.... I wonder why he wanted to be in a women's changing room in a dress shop? What a tangled web we weave......

twitter.com/Kalesiwolf/status/1514578194321612801

So an 18 year old with gender problems who has been out of education for two years (those two things couldn't possibly be connected could they?) tested Monsoon. Was it a bit silly- yes. Did it harm anyone? No. Is it possibly linked with their gender issues? well yes! But heaven forbid anyone should show any compassion. Incidently is it at all possible that they found education difficult because of lock down and an epidemic? Of course not.
But hey Charlie is trans. Build the bonfire. Bring the rope. Let's lynch 'em.

I thought education was compulsory until 18 unless you had an approved apprenticeship, but happy to be proved wrong. So Charlie isn't the naive innocent you portrayed? Is Charlie transgender or non-binary? Could Charlie do anything that would make you criticise Charlie? Why am I not the least bit surprised Charlie is a LibDem activist? Nobody wants to lynch Charlie, but do you really approve of Charlie's description of the sales assistant involved? (especially the "badly drawn on eyebrows") or does Charlie having a penis absolve Charlie of common decency? Does the fact a black female sales assistant was vilified not concern you in the slightest?
But hey, categorise Charlie's vicious vendetta as "silly" and that's OK. Sod the lives impacted by Charlie's narcissistic role play.

And another one........ sigh

A rapist who sent inappropriate messages to a young girl in an effort to groom her days after being released from prison is back behind bars.

Joshua Bate, who is now said to identify as a female, ‘Lily', asked the child, who was under the age of 13, if she wanted to 'spoon' with her and that she'd like to 'kiss her lips' on January 3. But the child instead notified an adult about the messages, and Bate was arrested soon after.

Bate, 25, had been out of prison only a few days after serving a seven year prison sentence for rape, Durham Crown Court heard on Wednesday. She appeared at the court on Wednesday, via link from HMP Durham, to be sentenced for inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.

Bate admitted to officers she was 'attracted to children of both sexes'.

In her victim statement, the girl’s mother told the court she now regretted the “snap decision” to allow Bate to stay at her home, adding: “He says he wishes to change sex and identity.
“He’s a sex offender no matter what changes he makes.
“I feel he’s a danger to everybody, but particularly vulnerable people and younger girls.”

The court was told Bate had been given a seven-year prison sentence in August 2015 for raping a woman, but had been released on licence. In May 2020, Bate went on to sexually assault a schoolgirl on a bus.

Under current Ministry of Justice guidelines, Bate would be sent to a male prison in the first instance but can request a transfer to a female facility.

So he rapes women, sexually assaults children and grooms children for sexual assault. And he can request to be housed with women. Because those are his rights.

So it was all a lie then; a dress for 'the prom', he was just testing Monsoon. Nothing wrong with that of course apart from being a bit "silly".

No harm was done to anyone.

I can hardly believe what I'm reading on this thread and don't know whether to laugh or cry.

So a pervert breaks the law and exposes himself. It isn't new and it is illegal. Not much to do with trans really either
I don’t know? Was he trans? How are we supposed to know? As you keep saying, you can’t ask them to declare their trans status or you can’t tell who are trans and who aren’t.
A bloke in a dress doing things that are anti-female? That’s what some tws do nowadays.

Fennel

I thought it was the orthodox Muslim people in the Park.
We're just as bad

No, it was Jewish people, I think. the Muslims were in the shop. Not that it matters - the principle's the same.

Incidently is it at all possible that they found education difficult because of lock down and an epidemic? Of course not.

How many people had problems like that but didn’t feel it necessary to try and wreck other people’s lives?
Oh but he’s got sexual problems, and only upset women and girls, so that excuses everything?

I thought it was the orthodox Muslim people in the Park.
We're just as bad

I'm still wondering about the difference between the Orthodox Jewish people in the park making women feel uncomfortable and unable to us the facilities as they would prefer, and the transwomen in changing rooms making women feel uncomfortable and unable to use the facilities as they would prefer.

Any thoughts, trisher?

So an 18 year old with gender problems nope! He lied about that too.

As you say Doodledog he caused no harm at all did he? All those knee jerkers rapidly firing off their emails of outrage and withdrawing their non existent custom must be feeling rather foolish now. And I imagine that the shop assistant hasn't been too pleased to be so vividly and unpleasantly described as a short, large afro-Caribbean lady with poorly drawn on eyebrows", but what the heck - she's just some woman in a dress shop trying to earn a living and doing her best to deal with a shop full of women at Ramadan. Who cares about her? Charlie the Grifter didn't care; all he wanted was FAME! and to be NOTICED! Well, we've noticed him now. And somehow, I think it might be a while before he nips into Monsoon again for a "prom dress".

So a pervert breaks the law and exposes himself. It isn't new and it is illegal. Not much to do with trans really either

It was a bloke. In a dress. Masturbating. In a women's changing room. He shouldn't have been there but, because he had a frock on, he was. And just imagine if some poor shop assistant had had the temerity to challenge him and ask him to shock horror leave or wait...... we'd have had another session of squawking about breaching his rights... why shouldn't he be allowed in the lingerie department....he was humiliated! You can't have it all ways trisher; weirdos, perverts and predators are gaining much easier access to women's areas because of the demands of TRAs. I'll keep finding examples for you.....

Did it harm anyone?

The shop assistant who has been maligned and accused of transphobia? The CEO who looks a complete cowardly pillock for parting with money and apologising in the face of TRA attack? The business and its employees who risked going under because of the knee-jerk reactions of uninformed bandwagon-jumpers who threatened to withdraw their custom to virtue-signal their support? The business and its employees who might still go under because feminists are so fed up with this craven behaviour that they, too, have threatened to withdraw their custom?

But hey. Most of them are probably women. Never mind, eh?

Chewbacca

Oh dear! It looks like Charlie Monsoon might have another problem with the truth. It would appear that he left education 2 years ago and there was no prom. So.... I wonder why he wanted to be in a women's changing room in a dress shop? What a tangled web we weave......

twitter.com/Kalesiwolf/status/1514578194321612801

So an 18 year old with gender problems who has been out of education for two years (those two things couldn't possibly be connected could they?) tested Monsoon. Was it a bit silly- yes. Did it harm anyone? No. Is it possibly linked with their gender issues? well yes! But heaven forbid anyone should show any compassion. Incidently is it at all possible that they found education difficult because of lock down and an epidemic? Of course not.
But hey Charlie is trans. Build the bonfire. Bring the rope. Let's lynch 'em.

Chewbacca

Another one for you trisher:

A man who was observed masturbating on different days in three separate stores has been jailed for eight months.

Bo Yu (38) masturbated both on the shop floor of each of the stores and in one of the store’s changing rooms.

Dublin Circuit Criminal Court heard that Yu was arrested following the final incident in which he was masturbating while at one of the store’s tills. He was found to be in possession of a sex toy, an unused condom and lubricants at the time of his arrest.

Yu, of Swiftbrook Drive, Tallaght, pleaded guilty to public masturbation at House of Fraser, Dundrum, on November 27th and 30th, 2019. He also pleaded guilty to public masturbation at Penneys, Dundrum, and at Marks & Spencer, Dundrum, both on December 3rd, 2019. He has no previous convictions.

He claimed to suffer both physical and emotional abuse from his father and he dressed as a woman “as a means of dealing with his stress and anxiety”.

At a previous hearing, a security guard at House of Fraser told Diarmuid Collins BL, prosecuting, that on the first date in November 2019, he noticed Yu wearing a dress and a wig while masturbating in the women’s section.

The security guard said that on the second date in November 2019, Yu was again observed masturbating in the store. Gardaí­ were contacted on both occasions.

A detective told Mr Collins that on the date in December 2019, a security manager at Penneys in Dundrum saw the accused man masturbating and then going into the women's changing rooms. Yu touched a number of items in the store, which were then removed and not sold.

Yu was told to leave the changing room and told to take with him a used condom found on a seat.

The detective said that on the same date, Yu was observed applying liquid to his hand and masturbating in the lingerie section of Marks & Spencer in Dundrum. The accused man then went to the till to pay for tights and was masturbating while at the till. Gardaí­ were called and they arrested Yu.

Could someone remind me again - who was disrespectful, harmful and discriminatory here?

So a pervert breaks the law and exposes himself. It isn't new and it is illegal. Not much to do with trans really either.

I've explained what direct discrimination is, I can't see any evidence you can misgender a trans person without impunity ki don't know what mumsnet gransnet rules are there or if they will change in future) and I'm not engaging with or enabling that...

Is that OK?

Judging from the Twatter frenzy Doodledog questions are being asked about his crowd funding for his gender reassignment too. He must be having some serious regrets about what he started - did he seriously not think that once had had his 5 minutes of Twatter adulation that people wouldn't start digging to find the truth? From hero to zero in 24 hours.

Apologies Galaxy I've only just spotted your post 're Owen Jones. Knowing the Graunian's stance, I cannot honestly imagine that they'll do anything about him, despite the external investigation, but he should be sacked immediately. His credibility as a "virtuous and compassionate journalist" is well and truly trashed and he's now a proven woman bully and misogynist. I'll bet the female staff at the Graunian are celebrating! Good riddance to him.

VioletSky

If you are going to question my honesty I'll just turn it around and say, show me I'm wrong then.

I did already ask if it was right but I forgot about the silly mind games

Nobody is questioning your honesty! I was just asking about the relevance of the clips you posted - relevance not truthfulness. They seemed pretty random.

Are you wrong about what?

Chewbacca I read somewhere that he was 21, but today's been a bit hectic and when I finally sat down able to post I couldn't remember where I'd read it. Now I've followed your link, all I can say is that this is a perfect example of being hoist by one's own petard.

Charlie looks rather a fool, now. I hope the Monsoon CEO apologises to the assistant who got into trouble over this nonsense. Maybe she'll get a free dress, too?

twitter.com/Kalesiwolf/status/1514578194321612801

A working url I hope

Thank you Chewbacca.

Oh dear! It looks like Charlie Monsoon might have another problem with the truth. It would appear that he left education 2 years ago and there was no prom. So.... I wonder why he wanted to be in a women's changing room in a dress shop? What a tangled web we weave......

twitter.com/Kalesiwolf/status/1514578194321612801

If you are going to question my honesty I'll just turn it around and say, show me I'm wrong then.

I did already ask if it was right but I forgot about the silly mind games

When this subject first came up - 2010 Equality Act - I had heard about it and read about it superficially.
The law covers various other groups who may be disadvantaged because of their status eg age, race, disabilities particularly when it comes to employment. Lots of pressure on employers to employ more people who are 'different'.
I thought the legal system on gender identification would have developed further but evidently not.
IMO because of the lack of consistent language definition, Which Law in this country always demands.

Another one for you trisher:

A man who was observed masturbating on different days in three separate stores has been jailed for eight months.

Bo Yu (38) masturbated both on the shop floor of each of the stores and in one of the store’s changing rooms.

Dublin Circuit Criminal Court heard that Yu was arrested following the final incident in which he was masturbating while at one of the store’s tills. He was found to be in possession of a sex toy, an unused condom and lubricants at the time of his arrest.

Yu, of Swiftbrook Drive, Tallaght, pleaded guilty to public masturbation at House of Fraser, Dundrum, on November 27th and 30th, 2019. He also pleaded guilty to public masturbation at Penneys, Dundrum, and at Marks & Spencer, Dundrum, both on December 3rd, 2019. He has no previous convictions.

He claimed to suffer both physical and emotional abuse from his father and he dressed as a woman “as a means of dealing with his stress and anxiety”.

At a previous hearing, a security guard at House of Fraser told Diarmuid Collins BL, prosecuting, that on the first date in November 2019, he noticed Yu wearing a dress and a wig while masturbating in the women’s section.

The security guard said that on the second date in November 2019, Yu was again observed masturbating in the store. Gardaí­ were contacted on both occasions.

A detective told Mr Collins that on the date in December 2019, a security manager at Penneys in Dundrum saw the accused man masturbating and then going into the women's changing rooms. Yu touched a number of items in the store, which were then removed and not sold.

Yu was told to leave the changing room and told to take with him a used condom found on a seat.

The detective said that on the same date, Yu was observed applying liquid to his hand and masturbating in the lingerie section of Marks & Spencer in Dundrum. The accused man then went to the till to pay for tights and was masturbating while at the till. Gardaí­ were called and they arrested Yu.

Could someone remind me again - who was disrespectful, harmful and discriminatory here?