The law as it stands on sex, Part 2

In the crime fiction genre, obviously the plots involve all sorts of murders, involving all sorts of men and women, and all sorts of detectives.. Men sometimes disguise themselves as women, and vice versa. Just to cover their tracks.

They are very popular.

However, I have never read one where a well known living person is the intended victim, along with her "friends". Especially one who so many actual threats, on a daily basis.

There are "sex and tell" non fiction books, and articles, but they give the "named person" the opportunity to go to court, if they are libellous or harmful.

Not sure if JKR has any legal remedy to her name being used in this book - or if she'd want to bother. Her books will be going strong long after this bit of rubbish has been pulped.

This author, both with this book, comments and tweets, comes across as a real misogynist, with a palpable loathing of biological women.

The plot line of the author wishing to rape and murder JKR, then her burning to death,, and marauding males, chasing biological women around to rape and murder them, it all seems a pretty sick fantasy of his really. ?

What I truly don't understand is that if this author dislikes women as much as he portrays...why on earth does he want to be one? ?

Odd.

Yesterday Galaxy wrote: Nope in particular with regard to young people the consensus seems to be moving towards watchful waiting. Sone of the leading figures in transition surgery are saying we need to look at what is going on.

The Scotsman has published an article on the concern that GPs have regarding early use of puberty blockers: at least 80 per cent of children who present with gender dysphoria will become comfortable in due course with their biological sex if a watchful waiting policy is pursued"

"Yet most children with gender dysphoria are still prescribed puberty blockers. Over 95 per cent of these children then go on to have sex hormone treatment and surgery – both of which cause irreversible changes to their bodies"

"We are writing this because GPs are under pressure to comply with the current trend to affirm, refer and then treat. If we disagree with this approach, what are the implications.

And yet, we have parents, grandparents and guardians of children who, in order to appear "trans friendly", are happily condoning young people being put on a course of treatment that will have lifelong physical, mental and emotional consequences. How will they live with themselves when they realise that the damage done to those children is irreparable.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/time-for-measured-debate-on-role-of-gps-in-helping-children-with-gender-dysphoria-dr-angus-mckellar-and-dr-anthony-latham-3658081

Doodledog

That's what I thought, Chewbacca, but I (maybe wrongly) thought that maybe VS knew better, as she was so strident in her assertion that Charlie should be treated in accordance with the EA.

Fair Play For Women is an excellent site. This appeared on my Facebook feed earlier. It perfectly encapsulates the hypocrisy of many TRAs. Men decide who is a woman, and what being a woman should look like. This is exactly what the so-called 'gender critical' argue against, and one of the reasons why so many lesbians are opposed to the T being in LGBTetc.

Women can 'present' however we damn well like. It is our sex that makes us women, not our choice of clothing or how we wear our hair (or our sexuality for that matter).

This lesbian has no problem with the T in LGBT. I have to say that while I do know some lesbian women who are hostile to transwomen, they are very much in the minority. I don't know of any lesbian venue that doesn't welcome transwomen, which is not saying there aren't any (it's been many years since I danced the night away!) It's nobody's business but yours who you choose to have sex with (notwithstanding child protection issues) with and nobody has the right to coerce you.

Seriously, how big an issue is this? How many transwomen did you notice when out and about in the last week? How many didn't you notice? I've known a few you wouldn't give a passing glance. How many have you ever seen while you were using a public toilet or a changing room? Is it possible that certain elements of the media will pick up isolated examples of idiots taking the piss and make them out to be a burgeoning menace?

Incidentally, I haven't had a cervix for a good many years now.

Rosie51

It's very similar to the outrage at JKR's transphobic tweets etc, except nobody can ever quote one.......because there aren't any. But hey, let's be outraged and perpetuate that outrage by pedalling the lies so that others may also be outraged.

Exactly.

Passive aggressive again.

Erm, thanks Mollygo its usually me handing out the good behaviour stickers but I will award myself one on your behalf

Laws simply cannot be based on 'inner feelings'

Sums up a lot, that one phrase!

It's very similar to the outrage at JKR's transphobic tweets etc, except nobody can ever quote one.......because there aren't any. But hey, let's be outraged and perpetuate that outrage by pedalling the lies so that others may also be outraged.

I have, however, heard that one of the Cameron Strike novels (written by JKR as Robert Galbraith) the baddie was a man dressed as a woman/transvestite/transperson (not sure which, as I haven’t read it), and this has been interpreted as transphobic by some hysterics.

I have read it (to be totally accurate listened to Robert Glenister reading it) and the baddie was totally a man, who identified and presented as a man, except when he disguised himself in a woman's coat (and hat?) to take someone by surprise and capture them. No hint of being a transwoman, or transvestite, just a bloke in disguise at night for the purpose of getting his victim.
The outraged clearly had not read the book but gathered their outrage from other outraged souls who had also never read the book., and on it goes.

The Oh, but women do xyz too is whataboutery Doodledog; We all know that there have been reports of abuses by women, towards women and I'd be interested in seeing the statistical data that supports that it's a growing problem. But, assuming that women - women abuse and violence is an escalating problem; I'm doubly perplexed that anyone would then be happy to allow abusive and violent men, who are accepted on face value as women, into the female estates.

FarNorth

^If you’re sick of gender plague novels written by transphobic dip****^

I haven't heard of any such novels, has anyone here?

Nope.

I have, however, heard that one of the Cameron Strike novels (written by JKR as Robert Galbraith) the baddie was a man dressed as a woman/transvestite/transperson (not sure which, as I haven’t read it), and this has been interpreted as transphobic by some hysterics.

My thoughts on that are that (a) it confirms how important it is to understand the differences between women, transwomen and men in dresses - oh and transvestites; and (b) it shows how desperate to find reasons to condemn women who dare to object to the misogynistic trans agenda ‘some people’ are becoming in the face of the turning tide of public opinion.

Just seen that Northern RadFem Network is holding a demonstration outside Askham Grange Women's prison in York, this coming weekend, in the latest in a series of nationwide protests against trans identified men lying their way into the female estate. They have an excellent mission statement, part of which says:

In the era that allows same-sex marriage and Civil Partnerships for LGB people, you may think there is nothing left for us to fight for. However, with the arrival of the T to the end of the LGB in 2015, same-sex attraction is now classed as transphobic.

Between April 2020 and March 2021, 177 women were murdered in England and Wales, of which, 92% were by men.

Yes, and it would be interesting to know how many of the 8% not recorded as men were male-bodied people. It is so important that these things are accurately recorded.

It is so obvious why ‘some people’ want to change the way things like rape are classified, and otherwise change the way in which statistics are collected. They show incontrovertibly that both men and women are at risk from men, and counting some men as women, and altering the definition of rape so that it no longer means ‘penetration with a penis’ will reduce the starkness of the figures. We already see ‘allies’ responding to any suggestion that women need to be protected from men (as a class) with ‘Oh, but women do xyz too’, as though that somehow lessens the risk from men. Including men in the category of women will give that fallacious argument more ammunition.

From Erin Pizzey :

"Philip Davies is a very good man. All he wanted was International Men's Day. But Jess Phillips told him that every day is men's day. He said that after he had spoken in the House and he was outside in the bar, men were sidling up to him saying ‘You are very brave. I agree with you, but I don't dare say it publicly’. Men have got to get up and be counted. A lot of this is because men don't argue with women."

PD was saying this on International Women's Day.
There is an International Men's Day. If men want to publicise it, no-one is stopping them.
It's ridiculous to think of these poor, timorous men.

EP does make some good points in that interview.

I’ll be very surprised if this question doesn’t join the growing list of The Unanswered, but I keep hearing that trans people are oppressed, so can anyone enlighten me about the source of the figures, please.

Think that might be a long time acoming Doodledog; the last stats provided were from 2017. But no matter what stats and data are conjured up; they will have to dig deep to find any stats that match these:
* Between April 2020 and March 2021, 177 women were murdered in England and Wales, of which, 92% were by men.

* In the year ending September 2021 of 40,572 women were victims of sexual assault in the year ending September 2021, an increase of 13% from the previous year (35,029 offences). This is the highest number of sexual offences ever recorded within a 12-month period.

* In the year ending September 2021, 41,332 women were victims of rape, also the highest annual figure recorded to date. This is an increase of 10% from the previous year (37,502 offences).

* In the same period 690,929 incidents of stalking and harassment were recorded by police over the same period, a 21% rise on the previous year.

If you’re sick of gender plague novels written by transphobic dip****

I haven't heard of any such novels, has anyone here?

It has been great to see some direct condemnation of the book, by known trans allies on here rather than pussyfooting round.
Well done for instance to VS who, at 08.17 today said

No I don't think it’s OK in any way.

There are alsorts of novels published, there's also a thriving on-line community of people who post stories about having sex with celebrities. I think it would be difficult to censor any of it. And anyway I'm not in favour of censorship of fiction.

I noticed Erin Pizzey was mentioned earlier. Great to see her recognised again. She's the woman who started Refuge but has been written out of its history because she dared to suggest that violence was a family thing, women were sometimes involved and it wasn't just men. She's moved a lot further since then and now speaks for men's rights groups. I don't agree with all she says but nor do I think she should have been written out and completely disregarded. You can read about her here but a lot of you won't like it www.centreformalepsychology.com/male-psychology-magazine-listings/an-invisible-hero-for-invisible-victims-an-interview-with-domestic-violence-pioneer-erin-pizzey

This is rather turning the usual narrative of trans people "constantly being under threat of violence" on its head isn't it?

I absolutely condemn violence against anyone, so I hope this isn’t going to be twisted to suggest otherwise; but I would like to know where the idea that transpeople are ‘the most oppressed group in society’ comes from? Where are the figures to support this, and how were they collected? What is ‘oppression’ in this context?

Human nature being what it is, I can well believe that anyone who looks different may have a hard time, but that includes people from all sorts of groups.

I’ll be very surprised if this question doesn’t join the growing list of The Unanswered, but I keep hearing that trans people are oppressed, so can anyone enlighten me about the source of the figures, please?

would I be right in thinking that only TRA;s have legal protection to say whatever they like, threaten whoever they like and intimidate whoever they like, with impunity? it certainly looks that was Chewbacca.

Seeing as he specifically mentions JKR by name, I'd be surprised if he wasn't able to be charged with inciting violence. Surely it comes under trisher's much referred to UN Free&Equal Media advice? Or would I be right in thinking that only the TRA's have legal protection to say whatever they like, threaten whoever they like and intimidate whoever they like, with impunity?
This is rather turning the usual narrative of trans people "constantly being under threat of violence" on its head isn't it?

Well, this is one of the tweets, by this "illustrious" author, regarding the book:

*One tweet read: ‘If you’re sick of gender plague novels written by transphobic dip****s, try my novel MANHUNT, written by a trans woman for a trans audience.
“Trans dykes fall in love and f* and murder TERFs, feral men maraud in the wilderness, JK Rowling dies, etc.”*

What a delight this biological male is, or sounds to be.?

I'm not so sure this person would be that safe around the biological women so despised by this person.

This debate needs to be out in the open because when it is it all crumbles.

Slowly, slowly, it is coming out into the public debate arena. Yesterday, the EHRC appeared before the House of Commons Women and Equalities Committee and Baroness Faulkner said some excellent stuff; pretty much echoing the thoughts of most of us on here. The Times has today published this about it:

The chairwoman of the equalities watchdog has warned there is a “slow-burn toxicity” around trans rights as she urged campaign groups to co-operate with her.

Falkner told the women and equalities committee: “I think there has been a slow-burn toxicity developing in this space, and the discourse around the debate is one of the reasons we felt, last year, that we needed to look at all of these things in the round, to be able to come to a considered view.

“Because you did find the different nations of the United Kingdom moving in different directions, you did find different segments of society, you did find campaigners saying, ‘No debate’ and shutting down debate; you had instances of academics losing their jobs, you had courts increasingly addressing these issues where really these are issues more for society.”

She said it was “deeply unfortunate” that Stonewall and other LGBT groups had asked the UN to review the EHRC’s accreditation, noting that the attempt had been dismissed.
Her remarks come after publication of the EHRC’s guidance that organisations such as refuges and gyms can legally exclude transgender people from single-sex services in certain scenarios, such as to prevent trauma.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) called for a fresh start amid an increasingly polarised debate on trans issues, citing the closing down of debate and academics losing their jobs.

It resulted in LGBT charities calling in February for the United Nations to review the EHRC’s status.

Baroness Falkner of Margravine, chairwoman of the EHRC, said she had been surprised “by the saliency of the issue of sex and gender, and the balance of rights issues”.
Appearing before MPs yesterday she said they had become “No 1 on the agenda” in responses to its consultation on its strategy for the next three years.

It is horrific and I agree Galaxy it shows how much JKR is feared and that this debate is already crumbling, which we can see here on GN.

Because presumbably it doesnt break the law. We cant be like those who want to ban and curtail speech. If it breaks the laws of libel then those laws would need to be used. If it comes under hate speech then that needs to be applied. It is horrific but we cant behave like those who want to burn books. They are terrified of JKR because she is rich strong successful woman. They cant control her. This debate needs to be out in the open because when it is it all crumbles.