Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

Just scroll on by Gill57 whatever makes you happiest.
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You two just keep on convincing each other. The rest of us have better things to do rather than read your repeated refusal to consider any other solutions. Or to be tainted second hand by your brexiteers soundbites.

I agree Urmstongran when word gets around that they could be shipped to Rwanda paying the smuggling gangs upwards of 3000 pounds each might not look such an attractive idea. Perhaps with all this money in their pockets they will choose to stay in France or perhaps Germany instead of risking losing the lot or even their life on a dinghy.

Denmark also passed a law last year to send Refugees to Rwanda.
Perhaps that's were the idea came from?

When the Australian government made know that anyone caught trying to enter Australia illegally would never be allowed to settle in the Australia, the flow of migrants reduced to a trickle in a matter of days.

When the first aeroplane full of migrants takes off for Rwanda, social media will be red hot and staying in France, or not leaving their home country, will become the better option I think.

Yes, come here to the UK through the right way. Smuggle yourselves in? No thanks.

I enjoyed Anna Soubry's response to Scott Benson's ignorance of how the civil service works (I refer to my much earlier post with Peretz's explanation)

Early contender for #WazzockOfTheDay

The Rwanda scheme will cost over £120 million – enough money to give every refugee in Britain a decent life, instead of spending it on imprisoning them. This plan manages to combine being inhumane and cruel with being unworkable.

Scott Benton would do well to keep quiet (and maybe binge watch some episodes of Yes, Minister). The man who took 8K's worth of free tickets from betting and gambling companies to watch prestigious football, tennis and horse-racing events (so did representatives of Labour) at the same time the government was undertaking a comprehensive review of the Gambling Act to consider further restrictions on their advertising. Benton would do to read and watch the Select Committee discussions on lobbying in the wake of the Owen Paterson case. To not understand that companies offer these sweeties for a reason is naive in the extreme as is his tweet on the role of the Civil Service and what he thinks democracy is.

DaisyAnne

Sadly though growstuff this 20% think "everyone" thinks as they do and that those who don't are the minority. For balance, this will also be true of any minority group with strongly held views. To them, democracy is getting their way.

Ha! Just illustrated the Brexit referendum viewpoint.

Scott Benton is a red wall MP. Representative of part of Blackpool with some areas of high deprivation. Married to his husband, studied theology at university. I would have hoped these two facts at least would have tempered his support for the Rwanda solution. Rwanda is not LGBTQ friendly.

volver

Scott Benton MP ????????? ?
@ScottBentonMP
Elected ministers decide policy, not civil servants. It’s completely unacceptable to refuse to deliver a policy which commands democratic support. Plenty of jobs in the private sector for those who feel unable to carry out their orders.

My underlining.

Who mentioned the Nazis?

Sigh! Another of the 2019 UKIP-lite intake who really doesn't understand how democracy in the UK works.

DaisyAnne

Sadly though growstuff this 20% think "everyone" thinks as they do and that those who don't are the minority. For balance, this will also be true of any minority group with strongly held views. To them, democracy is getting their way.

Agreed. There's nothing can be done about them. It's more worrying when they get another 31% to think they have a point.

Scott Benton MP ????????? ?
@ScottBentonMP
Elected ministers decide policy, not civil servants. It’s completely unacceptable to refuse to deliver a policy which commands democratic support. Plenty of jobs in the private sector for those who feel unable to carry out their orders.

My underlining.

Who mentioned the Nazis?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/rwanda-migrants-where-has-e2-80-98offshoring-e2-80-99-been-used-for-asylum-seekers-before/ar-AAWcSbB?ocid=uxbndlbing

Australia, Israel, Denmark.

condemmed condemned

Aveline

DaisyAnne it apparently worked in Australia. That must be where they got the idea from.
I must say it struck me as an odd thing to do though.

I don't believe is has worked in Australia Aveline, but it is a while since it's come into my conversation with my Australian branch of the family. As I remember, as well as them being condemmed around the world, it has also cost far more than they anticipated - it has been extremely expensive. In truth most immigrants arrive in Australia on a plane. My son was one such.

I have texted him to get his opinion but I doubt I will get a quick reply.

But it didn’t work in Australia - their offshore detention has been a humanitarian nightmare. People smugglers will just be more inventive at bringing people in under the radar without any reference to the authorities.With miles of coastline that is relatively easy. Remember those 57 Vietnamese in the back of a lorry?

"Failed asylum seekers" get deported. Sometimes via detention centres, where they are held for undetermined periods without any contact with their friends or legal representation.

"It" did not work in Australia. Australia's policy has been repeatedly shown to be inhuman and to cause untold suffering. People kill themselves in detention because all hope is gone. They literally go insane. If we're going to say that works, then we might as well shoot them as they come ashore because at least that would be quick.

Sadly though growstuff this 20% think "everyone" thinks as they do and that those who don't are the minority. For balance, this will also be true of any minority group with strongly held views. To them, democracy is getting their way.

DaisyAnne it apparently worked in Australia. That must be where they got the idea from.
I must say it struck me as an odd thing to do though.

Whitewavemark2

I have always suspected by reading posts that they support the sort of behaviour you so often see emanating from white supremicists, fascists and Nazi supporters, but quite honestly I still find it shocking when it is there in black and white.

I hope with all my heart that this sort of attitude is very much in the minority.

Numerous surveys have shown that about 20% of the population has definite racist views. The group has quite a clear cut demographic profile.

Urmstongran:
Well if implemented as presented it will lead to a dramatic reduction in the small boat flotilla and put both trafficking gangs and dodgy lawyers out of business.

You cannot and do not know that Urmstongran. Worst still, because of a lack of modelling, neither does the government.

The people arriving in boats have proven initiative and resilience. What kind of country are we that we can't find them a useful role?

Aveline

volver I really don't know what happens to 'failed asylum seekers'. whitewavemark2 I'm glad you're not worried about the situation of all these people arriving on doth coast beaches but lots of others are.

From what I've seen, most of them are picked up fairly rapidly and taken to a detention centre. It's in their interests to be picked up because they can apply for asylum. Of course the situation is worrying, but it's a global problem. There are currently millions of displaced people in the world - many more than the few thousand who land on south coast beaches. The UK is one of the richest countries in the world. Unless it wants to become a pariah state, it has a duty to play a part in trying to mitigate some of the trauma. Offloading single men to a third world country isn't playing a constructive part.

volver I really don't know what happens to 'failed asylum seekers'. whitewavemark2 I'm glad you're not worried about the situation of all these people arriving on doth coast beaches but lots of others are.