Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

‘Dinghy desperadoes’
Is there no depth you won’t sink to?

I’ve just been watching a very interesting interview on GBNews. The interviewee is a chaplain to HM the Queen. He was saddened by the comments over the weekend by Justin Welby. He said (and I paraphrase) he’s woke and needs to realise that just ‘niceness’ doesn’t help anyone, not the migrants nor communities who are suffering from the effects of mass migration that was forecast in the 1970’s. He said unfortunately Welby does tend to jump on any leftist cause going (his words, not mine). Farage asked him ‘how much longer will we have to put up with him as head of the Anglican Church?”. “Sadly, forever” was the reply.

Made me wonder what does the Queen think of all this?

GB News. Farage.

OK then.

Sounds delightful. No doubt the half a dozen viewers were getting all misty eyed about the veiled reference to good old Enoch.

Oh and he is a former chaplain to HM has now left the Church of England and joined the Catholic Church.

Not this guy is it?

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The one saying that being rich is nothing to do with money and telling the Archbishop of Canterbury he doesn't understand the New Testament.

The hotel I mentioned isn't by the sea.

Was this former chaplain Dr Gavin Ashenden? He's also been on Fox News, written for The Daily Mail and the Spectator and been interviewed by Rod Liddle and James Dellingpole.

Here's a quote from the Doctor who left his role as Chaplain to the Queen in 2019.

"The real Jesus warned that social justice would never happen in this world, that heterosexual marriage was to be between a man and a woman and that equality had nothing to do with the Kingdom of Heaven".

Did he really suggest that the Archbishop of Canterbury needs to realise that just ‘niceness’ doesn’t help anyone? Isn't that kind of contrary to the whole Christian message?

GillT57

Sounds delightful. No doubt the half a dozen viewers were getting all misty eyed about the veiled reference to good old Enoch.

No mention of Enoch. Nor the ‘rivers of blood’.

I’d never heard of Gavin ..... beforehand. It was an illuminating interview though.

Just an opinion that had a different take on events.
It happens.

Coastpath

Was this former chaplain Dr Gavin Ashenden? He's also been on Fox News, written for The Daily Mail and the Spectator and been interviewed by Rod Liddle and James Dellingpole.

Here's a quote from the Doctor who left his role as Chaplain to the Queen in 2019.

"The real Jesus warned that social justice would never happen in this world, that heterosexual marriage was to be between a man and a woman and that equality had nothing to do with the Kingdom of Heaven".

Did he really suggest that the Archbishop of Canterbury needs to realise that just ‘niceness’ doesn’t help anyone? Isn't that kind of contrary to the whole Christian message?

Thanks Coastpath. What an absolute bigoted plonker.

He did Coastpath. He actually said it was akin to seeing a nurse when one had stomach pains and she suggested applying Germolene which although nice and kind, didn’t address the problem as a doctor was actually needed to look for cancer. Again, I paraphrase.

So he’s with the Catholic Church then? Still a ‘godly’ man then.
Must just be disillusioned with the Anglican Church as he said in this day and age, differing opinions - against the woke narrative - are indeed getting ‘cancelled’.

Well, at the risk of being grumpy, I’m so pleased he left the Church of England , my ordained pals are much kinder, compassionate and sensible

Wonder what the Catholic brethren make of him?
He was pretty outspoken and direct!

Trying to work with the Germolene analogy, perhaps he'd rather the nurse refused to consider the patient's notes and just sent him straight to Kigali General Hospital.

Odd that he should believe opinions against the 'woke narrative' are cancelled as he gives opinions against the 'woke narrative' on a national TV news programme.

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The Catholic Church is obviously in a bad way in England if it got the "dr" and Anne Widdecombe and Mogg with his He Is Risen post of twitter ...3 amigos who I'd guess dont have the ear or support of the Pope .A less christian attitude I've rarely come across and never from my catholic family and friends (I'm lapsed ) I doubt the local priests would would support their vile views

He sounds an absolute charmer.

the "dr" and Anne Widdecombe and Mogg.

The unholy trinity.

Just saw this on Instagram - bit lighthearted on such a serious subject, but did make me smile:

The people getting mad about the Arch Bishop of Cantebury's sermon are really going to lose it when they find out Jesus was a refugee.

Illuminating to hear the views of a man who seems to change his allegiance as soon as his church disagrees with him. From C of E to the Christian Episcopal Church and now a Catholic. I don't think he will find the majority of his fellow Catholics as right-wing these days as he appears to be. You do seem to go for the crazy far-right guys Urmstongran.

How can heterosexual marriage be anything but between a man and a woman? Isn’t that what heterosexual means?

Having arrived rather late at this party please forgive me for not reading the entire thread. But I would just like to pitch in with regard to Justin Welby. The Archbishop’s comments are interesting and his compassionate sentiments laudable but action is long overdue. Until now words have not come up with satisfactory results. Is it right that, now that the government is actually doing something constructive, they get criticised? And criticised, moreover, by someone who should surely be trying to unite behind some kind of humanitarian solution?

Then, if the Rwanda proposals fail, perhaps the Archbishop can come up with something more workable.

I note that you say that you haven’t read the whole thread, so I will repeat some things that shouldn’t have even needed saying the first time round.

What the government is proposing is not constructive, the government have been told it probably won’t stop the traffickers and it will cost a ridiculous amount of money. It is illegal and it will only target about 1% of the immigrants to this country, but it will disproportionately target young brown men. That tells us something.

It is not humanitarian. How can deporting traumatised people ever be “humanitarian? And it is deporting; they are never allowed back. “Humanitarian” would be helping the people who are so desperate that they will entrust their lives to people smugglers.

We shouldn’t try things just to see if they work. I have said a couple of times. We could just shoot them as they come ashore. That would work. But we wouldn’t do it, would we. (Would we ? ) If an inhumane and illegal proposal is being made, its not for anybody to come up with an alternative, it just needs to be said that what they are doing is wicked and illegal. How can anybody not expect a man of God to say when something is evil? Although many have offered alternatives but just get ignored because it doesn’t suit the governments agenda.

AcornFairy Tue 19-Apr-22 10:49:11
but action is long overdue.

Volver echoes my thoughts on your post. I can see what you think that action should be AcornFairy but what do you want it to achieve?

There is a pattern here. Discredit and criticise the police because they gave Johnson and Sunak FPN, discredit and criticise Justin Welby because, as a Christian, at Easter, he dared to show humanity and kindness, the next will be the predictable enemies of the state narrative from the Daily Mail and Express, and presumably GB news with criticism of human rights lawyers and judges, who are, as some on here think, a bunch of woke liberals.