Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

Chestnut

volver Right wing racists aren't renown for being shrinking violets.
What a shocking and nasty thing to say. I don't think I've come across any such people on here other than your name-calling. This is exactly why people don't want to post, because they get called such nasty things if they disagree with the so-called 'left-wing echo chamber'.

I’m afraid you are very wrong in admonishing volver she is absolutely correct in describing some posts as being right wing and racist. The posts have been zapped and rightly so.

If you disagree with the right wing echo chamber you're a lefty, lovey guardianista. It works both ways.

Spot on Chestnut. Same if they simply posted a thumbs up emoji as suggested earlier. I think it’s appalling to call people who support this policy racists.

volver Right wing racists aren't renown for being shrinking violets.
What a shocking and nasty thing to say. I don't think I've come across any such people on here other than your name-calling. This is exactly why people don't want to post, because they get called such nasty things if they disagree with the so-called 'left-wing echo chamber'.

Germanshepherdsmum

*growstuff*, I think we all grasped that on day one.

Really? So why is the question in the poll still being framed as it is?

growstuff, I think we all grasped that on day one.

It is suggested that lone children will also be forcibly transported. They will be totally vulnerable to sex traders and such.

volver

I'm getting heartily tired of the "we keep quiet for fear of the nasty lefty echo chamber" excuse.

Stand up for what you think or take the consequences. Right wing racists aren't renown for being shrinking violets.

And yes, I am aware of the irony of what I've just said.

Thank god for the young.

The question isn't being asked about what is actually planned. The question asks about sending people to Rwanda to be "processed". If you actually read what's being proposed, the idea is that these people would be sent to Rwanda and being forced to settle there. They would not have the right to settle in the UK.

Sorry, that was for Rosina

No, not really.

I'm not a follower of the Russian Orthodox faith but I admire the priest who came out and said the church were wrong to support Putin. It is possible to separate a person's faith and their attitude to a government that wants to ride roughshod over the rule of law.

Nobody would be happier than me to see all forms of organised religion disappear, but I don't think I have the right to criticise what others believe in so strongly.

Chestnut

Coastpath

But Aveline, the thumbs up message was an invitation to put one emoji up, no dialogue, no unpleasantness, just a vote to get the message across. Only one person did this.

It was straightforward.

It is not straightforward. You might not agree with the Rwanda proposal but agree something radical needs to be done.

"Agreeing with the Rwanda solution" and "something radical" aren't the same thing at all.

Chestnut

Coastpath

Chestnut So those people don't agree with the proposal/policy. They are thumbs downers.

It is that simple.

I think every single poster on here believes something radical needs to be done.

But not every single poster believes people have to be turned away. They want to help everyone who wants to come here which is not possible.

No, they don't. I haven't read one single post from anybody claiming that everybody should be allowed to stay.

Not hypocritical at all then, in any way?

I'm an atheist.

When a man who has the attention of the Anglican community says something important, I don't care how many people are living in his house. I don't believe it is acceptable to criticise a man for highlighting the wickedness of the government just because he lives in a palace which he doesn't own.

Too right, Volver. I don't want to disestablish the Church, but feel so strongly, and always have, that the followers of a carpenter who lived a life that he wanted us all to emulate have a pretty odd way of demonstrating that Christian life, when they are decked in expensive apparel and living in palaces. When the government is criticised for not doing enough, it is almost laughable coming from a man living as the Archbishop does.
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Aveline; civilised discussion would be so good, but often it becomes insulting and sneering - almost like PMQT.

The least nasty thing about this thread is the comments made towards people who "disagree with the predominant posters".

Rampant and blatant racism, mostly now deleted, I think; derogatory comments aimed at people who think we should not demonise asylum seekers; continual repetition of untruths about migrants; scapegoating of foreigners; criticism of people who are trying to help.

Some people deserve opprobrium.

This thread encapsulates why many Grans say they don't want to read the news and politics threads. If you disagree with the predominant posters you're wrong and deserve opprobrium heaped upon you.

Here's a link to the Lambeth Palace website.

How many do you think we could squeeze into the Great Hall? Probably won't get so many in the Lollards Prison, but its worth a go. Maybe we could build a tree house in the Fig Tree.

www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/lambeth-palace/about/inside-lambeth-palace

I hear the Tower of London is mostly standing vacant too. Anybody got any contacts there?

JaneJudge

we only have your word for it! she could be completely imaginary

What a very unpleasant comment to a regular poster. I hope you apologise.

You've got me bang to rights there Rosina. Been googling?

Probably best to dis-establish the whole church, wouldn't you say?

One family, Volver, living in a cottage in the grounds of Lambeth Palace. 'Hardly flinging wide the doors of welcome. No inconveneince at all to the Archbishop; he still has many rooms to use.

JaneJudge

we only have your word for it! she could be completely imaginary

So now you are calling me a liar! How very unpleasant. What's the point of discussing anything if people are going to lie?

we only have your word for it! she could be completely imaginary

I quote: Just one example of working the system:

JaneJudge

My son who is a student has a car too and so do lots of his friends. He doesn't have Romanian wife and two small children as far as I know but tbh I don't know anything about the people who live in my road other than passing pleasantries with them. I certainly don't make moral judgements on them or their accommodation..

I am not making moral judgements on anyone, just stating facts. You can make up your own mind from those facts.