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PM breaking the law creates a constitutional crisis

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Dinahmo Sun 17-Apr-22 16:19:07

My DH read recently that amongst democratic countries about 40% of the population aren't interested in democracy they just want a strong leader who will tell them what to do. Turkey, Hungary and Russia are all examples of this.

An interesting post RamblingRose and I cannot imagine anyone not taking it seriously.

grannyactivist Sun 17-Apr-22 16:16:22

I know that people think ‘Partygate’ is meaningless in light of ‘weightier’ matters, but do those people then believe that standards in public life don’t matter? (This is a serious question, I’m not trying to bait anyone.)

The seven Nolan Principles underpin what, as a country, we should be able to trust our government to adhere to. If you like, it is the baseline for the expected behaviour of public officials. Are Boris Johnson’s supporters saying that the rules shouldn’t apply to him, or that they should no longer be adhered to by anyone in public service?

Selflessness – Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.

Integrity – Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.

Objectivity – Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.

Accountability – Holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to the scrutiny necessary to ensure this.

Openness – Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for so doing.

Honesty – Holders of public office should be truthful

Leadership - Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour and treat others with respect. They should actively promote and robustly support the principles and challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs.

Casdon Sun 17-Apr-22 16:11:35

Allsorts

Concentrate on the bigger picture, he didn’t plan it, they all worked together, it about time people got a grip. This has been blown up out of all proportion as a means of getting rid of him. That’s the reality.

That’s not the reality though Allsorts, is it? That’s what those voters who want to keep Boris in the PM job want to believe, but it’s not the reality. The reality is that he has been caught breaking the law.

Ilovecheese Sun 17-Apr-22 16:03:49

Looks like some of us do want to be ruled by a Government that makes rules for the electorate but thinks it does not have to stick to the rules themselves. I don't know why that liar is still Prime Minister except that it must be that some people don't think truth and integrity are important qualities in our elected representatives.

wicklowwinnie Sun 17-Apr-22 16:02:19

Thank you Allsorts for your sensible post.
There is so much pettiness and small-minded nonsense going on at the moment.

Allsorts Sun 17-Apr-22 15:52:51

Concentrate on the bigger picture, he didn’t plan it, they all worked together, it about time people got a grip. This has been blown up out of all proportion as a means of getting rid of him. That’s the reality.

Ramblingrose22 Sun 17-Apr-22 15:46:13

This is what Lord Hennessy, a "history of government expert" according to the BBC newspage, has said today because BoJo is the first PM to have broken the law.

I realise that many people's eyes glaze over when the subject of the British constitution is mentioned but even though it is unwritten, misleading the House of Commons over whether there were parties during lockdown and then claiming that no rules were broken before the facts emerged that this was not the case usually means that the Ministerial Code has been broken and results in the Minister involved having to resign.

Do we want to be ruled by a Government that makes laws for the electorate but thinks they themselves can do what they like? I know I don't. Margaret Thatcher called the Tories the party of law and order. Not anymore it isn't!

It seems to have been forgotten that one of the Ten Principles of Public Life which applies to those holding public office is a duty to uphold the law.

There are also codes of conduct for other types of elected members (MPs and councillors) to ensure that they behave according to certain ethical standards so why should the Ministerial Code should be set aside for BoJo and any of his Ministers?

If we follow their example in our day-to-day lives we may as well all ignore the law and other ethical ways of behaving. The police will be unable to enforce any laws as no-one will regard them as applying to them anymore. Verdicts in criminal cases will be ignored too.

We are fast becoming an elected dictatorship. Putin and Russia will not be alone........