Oh Nicola! We’re not as green as we’re cabbage looking! ???????

Ah, now we are in a parallel universe. I don't know your politics Cathymac but using Stuart Campbell as a source of sensible comment about Nicola?

He's a (former?) Alba chap who posted about "decapitating the witch". Not a good source.

...and she leads the SNP not the independence movement.

People really need to try to understand the difference, not least because voting for independence is not the same as voting for perpetual rule by the SNP. In fact, quite the opposite - it's highly likely that the SNP would splinter very quickly after independence.

Cathymac

Here’s an interesting article which takes stock of how the independence movement has been doing under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership.
wingsoverscotland.com/progress-update/
Wings over Scotland are pro Indy , but have now turned against Nicola.

Wingsoverscotland have always been against her and it and Stuart Campbell is a disgrace.

And I write this as someone who agrees that she has been dragging her heels.

Here’s an interesting article which takes stock of how the independence movement has been doing under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership.
wingsoverscotland.com/progress-update/
Wings over Scotland are pro Indy , but have now turned against Nicola.

Yes. Maybe best to by-pass a referendum and just jump straight to UDI.

We all take chances when voting in a referendum, Brexit?

GrannyGravy13

I didn’t mention dissolving the Union I was referring to Scotland wishing to have a referendum on leaving the other three members of the Union.

So everybody gets a vote on Scotland's future. But if England, Wales and NI think we should leave, and Scotland votes that we want to stay, we get ejected from the Union anyway. Or if the majority of the rUK voters think we should stay, but we want to go, you'd stop us.

Its not really working out well this, is it?

"Ferry chief"? How do you apply for that job? Who's on the appointing committee, Chris Grayling?

I didn’t mention dissolving the Union I was referring to Scotland wishing to have a referendum on leaving the other three members of the Union.

So imagine that we did go that route. And say the vote overwhelmingly said we should dissolve the Union. The Union is four countries. So if Wales voted overwhelmingly to stay in the Union, but the rUK vote overwhelmed that, would they just get told "sorry lads, you're on your own?"

Another way to look at it is there are just over 66million people in the U.K. shouldn’t they all have a say as to what happens to the Union as it will effect all of them in one way or another?

I’m all for enfranchising those that will be affected by any decision so important as the breakup of the union.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another way is that 50 million people in England are getting to decide on Scotland's future. I don't think that would go down so well.

Alistair Campbell was in Rwanda. Stewart definitely wasn't in Rwanda.

Well he said he was at his home in Scotland. Alaister Campbell confirmed it and there was an image of them sat opposite each other.

I’m all for enfranchising those that will be affected by any decision so important as the breakup of the union.

Rory Stewart was broadcasting from his home in Scotland.

No he wasn't. He was in Jordan. Where he lives at the moment, when he's not in New York, or his houses in South Ken or Cumbria.

It would probably go my way if rUK were allowed to vote. Wouldn't make it right though.

Rory Stewart was broadcasting from his home in Scotland.

Re Lithuania - not a very good comparison.

The point is that Britain will be fundamentally changed if Scotland devised to break away, and it seems sensible to me for everyone involved which of course includes everyone in Britain to get a vote on the matter.

Both of them are Scots living in another country and one of them thinks that its an insane idea to think Scotland and England are different countries. The other one said he wouldn't campaign for Better Together any more.

Did the people of Lithuania get a vote when Britain wanted to leave the EU?

Listening to Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell on their podcast.

Some of their thoughts on independence.

Both thought that Scots living in other areas of the U.K. should have a vote in another referendum.

In fact if the United Kingdom was thinking of fracturing, they thought that every citizen if the U.K. should have a vote.

I would go along with both of those ideas. I’m all for enfranchisement.

Scotland is as well represented at Westminster as any other part of the UK. We've had plenty of Scots in Senior positions in government over the years.
We're no more important than any other part of the union we've been in for centuries.

Nor is thinking we're too wee ,too poor or too stupid to BE Independent ...there are countries far smaller and very much poorer than we are who are successfully Independent.
The SNP is the vehicle to get us over the line.after Independence there will be different SCOTTISH parties,not Scottish branches of English parties who work for WM. The people of Scotland are surely entitled to a democratic vote ..not the 600-59 we have at the moment .
The truth of the matter s England AKA WM NEEDS to hold onto us,just one of our export is 25% of ALL UK exports add in the renewables and the FACT our economy is growing stronger and faster than thers and you might have a clearer picture.Of course to see the picture you have to ditch thelies and misinformation we've been fed for over 300 years .Even the take on Darien is a biased one ,the Scheme was in fact sabotaged by WM as it ddn't suit them ...its all written in hstory ...but some just accept the same old rubbish they've been told

Voting for independence is one thing and voting for whoever is in power at Westminster is another.

I've been an independence supporter since long before Johnson's government. Since long before the Conservative government. Whoever is in power in Westminster now, I'll still be an independence supporter.

Some people are not independence supporters. And that's perfectly valid. But thinking we want independence because we don't like a particular shade of WM government is not correct.

Voting for independence is one thing and voting for whoever is in power at Westminster is another. UK governments change.
If Scotland (God forbid) voted for independence that would be it. Luckily we voted against it.

Aveline

Obviously you're not volver and I respect your point of view but there plainly are a lot of people who vote based on emotion rather than cold hard economics and experience of current Scottish government. It's the only explanation I can think of.

If you substitute "UK" for "Scottish", that also seems to be the reason some people are still wanting to vote for the UK Tory party, so you can't just think that only Scots can be, as you seem to think, sentimental rather than sensible when it comes to voting, Aveline.

The Scots have been fighting among themselves since time began. Inter clan fighting back then and inter clan fighting still going on -just different clans these days.

The Scottish Wars of Independence straddled the 13th and 14th centuries.

It's pretty much been going on ever since