Tories accuse Angela Raynor of "doing a Basic Instinct"

It's much more people are het up about than a pair of legs, obviously.

Chestnut

Just to repeat, I never accused AR of anything or said I thought she was doing this. I said that only she would know whether she had deliberately done this, not you, not me, not anyone else. I keep an open mind, and I don't take this seriously at all. It's quite amusing how wound up everyone is getting over a pair of legs.

I think some are upset over deeper, more important things Chestnut.

So far, two people have lost out because of this Tory attempt to save the leaders a***. They are a women who is now trying to protect herself and her family and a man who has, justifiably lost his job.

I don't find it at all amusing. But then Johnson and his supporters don't actually care about other people, as we can see from the posts on this thread. They want power to use for their own advancement. If other get hurt in the process - well that's how the Conservative world works. Other people's lives are just a joke to them.

Actually WWM". I am travel sick on buses, so usually choose to walk.

Just to repeat, I never accused AR of anything or said I thought she was doing this. I said that only she would know whether she had deliberately done this, not you, not me, not anyone else. I keep an open mind, and I don't take this seriously at all. It's quite amusing how wound up everyone is getting over a pair of legs.

I am finding this very bizarre. In the 60s when I was young most of us wore very short skirts in work.
I don't think many were showing their legs to distract men.
Why then think that AR was doing this? I do cross and recross my legs for comfort and so was she probably.
Her skirt wasn't nearly as short as some we used to wear.

DaisyAnne

volver

This is a wind up, isn't it?

There's a lot of them about Volver

Hmm. I noticed that DaisyAnne.

Brought it on herself, she did. Look what she made them do.

volver

This is a wind up, isn't it?

There's a lot of them about Volver

As I said, how would anyone except AR actually know if she had done such a thing deliberately? She would never admit it publicly even if she had. Showing your legs with a shortish skirt is so easily done and she could have a giggle about it afterwards. In other words, not taking it seriously. It is everyone else who has taken it seriously and blown it out of all proportion.

Advice

Some good advise

do you think people like Boris Johnson and Co have any idea how much more difficult it is for ordinary people to heard? let alone in politics.

I'm not going to go back through the whole thread but if anyone is interested in a bit of leg flashing here's a pair (admittedly not at the dispatch box).

They're quite distracting

A laugh about it in private, I meant. When something so outrageously stupid is made up about you you'd have to laugh, or you'd cry.

In the original article it said she admitted to not having Johnson's "Oxford training in debating". I can't find that article now.

However by juxtaposing "she admitted it" with "Basic Instinct" in the headlines, they have seeded the idea that she admitted to flashing her f****. Dan Hodges this morning has gone full tonto on it.

volver

I'm going to shout again, sorry.

THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE ADMITTED TO.

As I said as the beginning of this thread.

Have people forgotten all they learnt about reading for comprehension?

What did she 'admit to', volver?

I know she has a laugh about it, as any sensible woman would because it's too ridiculous not to...

I'm going to shout again, sorry.

THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE ADMITTED TO.

As I said as the beginning of this thread.

Have people forgotten all they learnt about reading for comprehension?

Chestnut

To be fair she apparently 'admitted as much when enjoying drinks with us on the terrace' so it's entirely possible although she would never admit it publicly. It would be a very easy thing to do whilst protesting it's not deliberate. Who would ever know except her?

As I said back at the beginning of this thread. People heard her! But everyone jumped on the bandwagon to defend her and have a go at the Tories at the same time. As expected.

By the way, wouldn't Boris be directly opposite her legs when he stood up? The dispatch box wouldn't be in the way then.

This is a wind up, isn't it?

I do not understand what is remotely mysogynist about my comments. This ploy is used by both men and women.

have you seen the pictures of female performers at film premiers and the like, many dressed in dresses so ephemeral they barely cover their breast and genitals. Are you really say they are wearing dresses like that because they enjoy waering dresses like that, that they wear dresses like that when having a quiet evening at home with their mums, or would be happy to be seen out dressed like that with their fathers?

They are merely doing it for the attention they attract - and do you think every man there, fails to notice how much is on display and most will respond to it. Would the male response be much the same if they all came dressed as nuns with a veil over their face?

I fully understand, how we think people ought to behave and respond, and I am with you. But how we want, and hope people behave, and how they actually behave are so often disappointing - and that includes the behaviour of those we like and admire.

M0nica

What was scurrilous about my post? AR has admitted she did what she did and I am congratulating her on doing it.

I must have missed that.

When did she admit it?

Her mistake was admitting it, otherwise she could have continued to distract Boris from what he was saying., which could only be to her party's and the country's advantage.

What was scurrilous about my post? AR has admitted she did what she did and I am congratulating her on doing it.

Yes, WWM another nasty, baseless attack has backfired as has M0nica's scurrilous post.

Who, I wonder, thought old-style sexism was a good idea? The coward who spoke the Mail (did they exist or was it a Johnson clone?) ended up painting Johnson as a lecherous old fool.

It then led us to question what he had learned from his expensive education and his Oxford debating-society training neither of which screened out the possibility of him being distracted by a women's legs. Legs he could only imagine as they were obscured by the despatch box.

Who does M0nica or anyone else think gains from this story? I am so sorry for Angela Reynor's family who has been put through this by people who just don't care who gets hurt. Angela has shown herself to be a strong woman and I hope that strength gets her through the misogyny - that coming from another woman too.

M0nica

I think she would be a fool if she hadn't done what she has been accused off/ admitted.

All is fair in love and politics and I am sure all MPs, both sexes, use every availble trick in the book - and a lot more - to distract their opponents and disconbobulate them. That is all she did, and it seems to be successful. Now she cannot use that ploy anymore.

Having seen her on the front bench on the news, since she came into prominence, I thought that she might be using her looks and dress style to disconcert the opposition, but never having seen Basic Instincts, or bothered to read much about it, the parallels did not occur to me.

Blimey!