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Is Liz Truss intending to take the UK to war?

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DaisyAnne Thu 28-Apr-22 07:45:34

Or was her speech just sabre rattling at Russia? Or was it just a try for the leadership of her party?

I've been looking for insightful articles about her speech at the Lord Mayor of London’s Easter Banquet and so far it's a bit thin on the ground. This from the Independent give an idea of what she was saying.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 29-Apr-22 13:19:50

A peace keeping force would be armed and Russians would be killed. Imagine the consequences.

winterwhite Fri 29-Apr-22 13:05:16

I agree entirely with UN multi-national peace-keeping force, but not with sending more armaments to Ukraine, which I deplore. Not in my name.
It's plain that Putin reacts to force and threats with more force and threats.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 29-Apr-22 12:59:55

Coco, it would be seen as an act of aggression.

Delene100 Fri 29-Apr-22 12:47:04

He didn't do a good job as Health Secretary, did he? They are all self-serving. Don't rate any of them. The able ones are not in the Cabinet, only Boris' yes men and women.

Coco51 Fri 29-Apr-22 12:46:11

I don’t know why the UN isn’t sending neutral multi-national peacekeeping forces in. As Russia is a founder member of the UN Putin would have to think very carefully before continuing his butchery in Ukraine

HannahLoisLuke Fri 29-Apr-22 12:45:06

As soon as I heard her speech it made me shudder. We know Putin has his spies listening to everything and she’s just poking the fire. Could so easily provoke him into even more dastardly actions. And they call Biden stupid!

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 29-Apr-22 12:43:08

We would not ‘appear to be at war’ at all Taichinan. Don’t you understand what war is? Putin may call his war ‘an exercise’. However UN and NATO countries know how to carry out a proper military exercise and do so all the time.

Grantanow Fri 29-Apr-22 12:40:10

No idea but she seems ambitious.

volver Fri 29-Apr-22 12:38:16

Germanshepherdsmum

I am seriously worried to be agreeing with volver again. Two days running. You’re so right. Putin is a volatile man, easily provoked. Truss is no diplomat. Neither are Biden or Johnson.

Two days running.

I thought I'd dreamt it grin

Casdon Fri 29-Apr-22 12:37:50

I’ve been looking at the recent statements from European PMs, presidents etc. and I can’t find any of them have used the inflammatory language that Liz Truss has. I wish she would draw in her horns because she is not doing the UK any favours.

volver Fri 29-Apr-22 12:34:06

We would be appear to BE at war

Yeah? We're not though.

JannyC Fri 29-Apr-22 12:32:02

MaizieD

^I wish someone could find out what does President Putin really want with Ukraine.^

Ukraine has been at war with Russia for over 2 months and people still don't know what Putin is after? ?

He wants to rebuild the Soviet empire, dismantled in the 1980s. He claims that Ukraine has always been part of Russia and never an independent country in ts own right. He wants to obliterate the Ukranian people and culture.

It's suspected that his ambitions run to more than just reclaiming Ukraine for Russia. He has his eye on the neighbouring former Soviet states. He wants to Make Russia Great Again... In the meantime, a couple of deep sea ports with access to the Black Sea would come in very handy and ruin Ukraine's economy.

I totally agree with you MaizieD. We stood by when he invaded and took control of Crimea. Big mistake. It seems he would rather obliterate Ukraine and the Ukrainian people, than accept them as an autonomous state.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 29-Apr-22 12:30:01

I am seriously worried to be agreeing with volver again. Two days running. You’re so right. Putin is a volatile man, easily provoked. Truss is no diplomat. Neither are Biden or Johnson.

Keekaboo Fri 29-Apr-22 12:29:18

Of course she is sabre rattling for War with Putin. !
Stupid stupid woman ! Very dangerous talk. Heaven help us all!

And she obviously sees herself as the new leader of the Tory party. She sees herself as another Margaret Thatcher very obviously.

Taichinan Fri 29-Apr-22 12:28:33

We would be appear to BE at war as we are sending 8,000 troops to join a UN force in an exercise that surrounds Russia - reminiscent of Putin's 'exercise" that surrounded Ukraine before he invaded. I have no idea how Putin can be stopped - short of annihilating the Kremlin and all who in it sit. And that just doesn't bear thinking about as it implies a nuclear war - as he is working to his own megalomaniac agenda. I just wish we didn't have Johnson as PM at this time (although I can't think of anyone else either, from any political party, who is up to the job.)

volver Fri 29-Apr-22 12:25:23

We are not at war. "War" is a legally defined state which must be declared and although some people seem to think "war" is just like the movies, it isn't.

But if you want to think about it like that, what about this: Careless talk costs lives. Somebody needs to have a word with Truss, Johnson, Biden and the rest.

red1 Fri 29-Apr-22 12:20:25

ive been watching her for some time,another bad un.

spabbygirl Fri 29-Apr-22 12:17:20

I agree, I thought she was being over inflammatory too, she's after being the leader too, did you see the photos she had done recently? They were reminiscent of Margaret thatcher
I want all the tories out, I don't like this warmongering woman either

crazygranny Fri 29-Apr-22 12:16:12

We are already at war. We have to stop the gremlin in the Kremlin. We have no choice about whether we fight - just which are the best circumstances to beat him which to me looks like now whilst he has considerably weakened his own forces.

parker Fri 29-Apr-22 12:11:12

Liz Truss job is to comment and we cannot allow Pupin to commit genocide in Ukraine. He is a despot with little insight and no compassion. He considers himself a victim, not an oppressor.

polnan Fri 29-Apr-22 12:02:22

I don`t like to hear Truss going on. I have voted Conservative all my long life

I do wonder if we, ie. the West are working behind the scenes.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-Apr-22 20:39:56

True???

GrannyGravy13 Thu 28-Apr-22 20:39:02

Whitewavemark2

Yes of course I heard that, but what are you saying?

Strong rhetoric is preferable to war.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 28-Apr-22 20:35:31

Yes of course I heard that, but what are you saying?

DaisyAnne Thu 28-Apr-22 20:35:16

So, I started this thread at 7.45 today. It feels as if a great deal has been said, around the world, since then.

Listening to what is coming out of the US, I think this has been a collaborative series of messages from the allies as part of the infomation war.

I've also heard that the weapons, that have arrived in Ukraine, are already being used to push the Russians back. The Ukraine army are also firing into areas that are a part of Ukraine but where Russians are.

I feel as if I am ending the day thinking that at least Liz Truss hasn't gone rogue. However, I can't trust her any more than I did. Also, I understand why the allies are acting as they are but I hate to think what Putin in planning.