So is JRM incredibly thick, a liar or both?

The point is, Europe will be very reluctant to have us back. BJ et al have sold us down the river.

I don't think JRM is thick, or at least, not as thick as this comment can be interpreted as. He is absolutely a liar. As are most of the Tories. I don't think the majority of them particularly cared about Brexit. It was a means to an end to get them into power again. They all future proofed themselves for the inevitable s**t show, because they knew it was coming while peddaling the lies to the populace about the advantages.

volver

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t agree. Even though I voted to remain I wouldn’t vote to rejoin in the expensive referendum there would obviously have to be. Years of negotiations again. What’s done is done.

Our unprecedented run of agreement is over

The last referendum cost £130 million. For comparison, that's about the same as we spend on defence in one day. Other countries are falling over themselves to join the EU. We wouldn't need years of negotiations because most of our systems are still close enough to the EU ones that we could slot back in pretty easily.

Sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned

We are free now to adopt any of the EU regulation now but that would mean their supervision, so don’t hold your breath on that happening.
Maybe in a decade things may change, until then we tough it out.

Today the police raided a Tory peers property over a covid fraud in the supply'of PPE

The fraud was over £200 million which is peanuts compared to the amount of money the Tories have absolutely squandered on PPE, the billions of furlough money fraudulently acquired because of the complete lack of checks by the government, and to suggest a mere £100 million was too much ……..well what price democracy?

Tbh I think another referendum would be utterly ridiculous. For the U.K. economic security we should start proceeding asap

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t agree. Even though I voted to remain I wouldn’t vote to rejoin in the expensive referendum there would obviously have to be. Years of negotiations again. What’s done is done.

Our unprecedented run of agreement is over

The last referendum cost £130 million. For comparison, that's about the same as we spend on defence in one day. Other countries are falling over themselves to join the EU. We wouldn't need years of negotiations because most of our systems are still close enough to the EU ones that we could slot back in pretty easily.

Sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned

vegansrock

He said it would be an act of self harm to implement the Brexit treaty which the government claimed a complete triumph at the time. So no checks on goods coming into the U.k. from the EU. Exports going into the EU from the U.K. are being checked though. Hmmm who does that benefit?

Perhaps he should have allocated more time to the parliamentary discussion of the 'agreement' and spoken up during it to say that implementing it would be an act of self harm. Did he do that?

I don't think he's particularly thick, I think he's counting on Brexit voters to be thick enough to believe him... and to not be concerned about signing International treaties in bad faith...

BlueBelle

I m a staunch remainer and could see exactly what would happen what I will never understand is how intelligent people didn’t see it either
JRM is cunning and like the others he doesn’t understand the word truth if it hit him in the face

Intelligent people didn’t vote for Brexit.

Are you able to articulate why so we can understand your perspective Allsorts?

So very glad we’re out of it?

I m a staunch remainer and could see exactly what would happen what I will never understand is how intelligent people didn’t see it either
JRM is cunning and like the others he doesn’t understand the word truth if it hit him in the face

He said it would be an act of self harm to implement the Brexit treaty which the government claimed a complete triumph at the time. So no checks on goods coming into the U.k. from the EU. Exports going into the EU from the U.K. are being checked though. Hmmm who does that benefit?

He believed we were going to get a “cake and eat it” Brexit.

Whitewavemark2

JRM. “Brexit was an act of self harm”

So why did he lie so much about the advantages to be gained from it?

Has he actually said that? If he has I need to go for a lie down...

JRM. “Brexit was an act of self harm”

So why did he lie so much about the advantages to be gained from it?

AGAA4

I voted Remain and am glad I was not part of creating this sorry mess.

me too

Katie59

JRM is not thick, rule that right out, he’s very clever and will say whatever it takes to achieve his aim.

I have no idea what his aims are other than personal enrichment, he wins whatever, because I’m sure his finance traders are short selling sterling right now, all he needs is a volatile currency to win.

There is no prospect of rejoining with this government even if there is a change it will only be EEA under their terms

If you listened to him today you would definitely wondered about his cognitive ability!

I voted Remain and am glad I was not part of creating this sorry mess.

Germanshepherdsmum

How much do you think it would cost to try to rejoin and what further sacrifices would have to be made?

We don’t have to re-join. But we could join the customs union, which we are more or less running now except our businesses are at a total disadvantage and at least it would even it up.

I don’t think that they could have made it worse if they tried.

JRM is not thick, rule that right out, he’s very clever and will say whatever it takes to achieve his aim.

I have no idea what his aims are other than personal enrichment, he wins whatever, because I’m sure his finance traders are short selling sterling right now, all he needs is a volatile currency to win.

There is no prospect of rejoining with this government even if there is a change it will only be EEA under their terms

aonk

I don’t like to see comments about migrants on a thread about brexit. My view is that generally speaking we are a better and richer country with all the new would be citizens. It’s still hard to fill many job vacancies and a more sensible housing policy would help considerably. I hate the circumstances in which these people arrive and, while not in favour of the Rwanda solution, something must be done to safeguard them whichever country they end up in.

I'm a bit puzzled by this post, actually, aonk. One of the main drivers of Brexit was so-called control of our borders which meant deciding who migrated here. We used to welcome people from the rest of the EU but that's gone now.

And migrants aren't just those who arrive in small boats. Hundreds of thousands of people migrated to the UK last year. (Somebody here will know the exact number) Only 25,000 came by small boat across the channel.

I don't think rejoining as a full member would be politically possible on either side yet. Rejoining the single market and the customs union would help enormously.

I don’t like to see comments about migrants on a thread about brexit. My view is that generally speaking we are a better and richer country with all the new would be citizens. It’s still hard to fill many job vacancies and a more sensible housing policy would help considerably. I hate the circumstances in which these people arrive and, while not in favour of the Rwanda solution, something must be done to safeguard them whichever country they end up in.

Chris Grey on his usual good form tday:

...faced with a burgeoning economic crisis, this post-Brexit government is bereft of workable ideas. Its flagship policy has proved an economic dud, but it is inherent in the government’s very formation to be unable to admit that, or to produce any policies that might ameliorate it. Having smashed up the old order, all they can do is stare in slack-jawed bemusement at the rubble around them, like a convention of peculiarly vandalistic village idiots who accidentally got control of a wrecking-ball.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2022/

On JOB recently I heard a young man explain why he voted for Brexit and it was because of the proposed changes to immigration laws. He came from Senegal (I think) and various of his relations and acquaintances who were doctors, nurses and other professionals had applied for visas pre-Brexit and some of whom had been waiting for 10 years for their applications to be approved. Post Brexit they are going through reasonably quickly, given all the other problems with visas for Ukrainians.

I don’t agree. Even though I voted to remain I wouldn’t vote to rejoin in the expensive referendum there would obviously have to be. Years of negotiations again. What’s done is done.