So is JRM incredibly thick, a liar or both?

So if you are a brexiter, what do you think of this? Is this what you voted for?

Many people predicted this, and many others ignored them and chose to believe the lies of people like JRM, who stood to gain personally.

I’m glad I voted to remain.

It's putting our businesses at a huge disadvantage:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61259832

I am really interested to know how Brexiteers feel now - genuinely! Are you pleased with the current post-Brexit situation in the UK? Do you feel you’ve got what you voted for? Have you changed your mind? I voted to remain in the EU as I did not believe that leaving would benefit the UK. I currently feel that’s being played out. However, I always like to see both sides and am keen to hear the opinions of Brexiteers.

Whitewavemark2

So if you are a brexiter, what do you think of this? Is this what you voted for?

I can answer that with one word NO

I am deeply dissatisfied and disappointed with the situation as it is.

John Crace on sparkling form in yesterday's paper:

Down at the Eurotunnel control centre, Jacob Rees-Mogg was also struggling to come to terms with the realities of Brexit. Just as the Northern Ireland protocol was slowly separating NI from the rest of the UK, so the new trade agreement with the EU would cost the UK a fortune in checks and tariffs. So the minister for Brexit opportunities was there to tell the nation that the opportunity he had identified was that Brexit was prohibitively expensive and would put thousands of companies out of business if properly implemented. Which he wasn’t going to do. He was going to delay it for a fourth time. So we would continue to take any foods from the EU unchecked.

Viva Brexit. Viva sovereignty.

Hard to know whether to laugh or cry.

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For those of you who were unhappy with the Brexit vote. Is there not some kind of a campaign group for rejoining the EU on the go? I thought I saw it on Facebook but was not sure if it was a genuine group or not. Perhaps others on here have heard.

I don’t think trying to join again would be a good idea. We would be in a lousy negotiating position. We just have to make the best of what we’ve ended up with.

That’s a very defeatist attitude. Brexit has cost billions , put British businesses at a huge disadvantage, increased red tape and bureaucracy and hasn't delivered any of its promises. There are even more migrants now - so much for controlling our borders. I wish some politician of any colour would come out and say this - it’s the elephant in the room.

How much do you think it would cost to try to rejoin and what further sacrifices would have to be made?

It would cost less to rejoin that to keep up the present farce for years to come. No reason why we couldn’t have stayed in the single market as we were promised by leave campaigners.

I don’t agree. Even though I voted to remain I wouldn’t vote to rejoin in the expensive referendum there would obviously have to be. Years of negotiations again. What’s done is done.

On JOB recently I heard a young man explain why he voted for Brexit and it was because of the proposed changes to immigration laws. He came from Senegal (I think) and various of his relations and acquaintances who were doctors, nurses and other professionals had applied for visas pre-Brexit and some of whom had been waiting for 10 years for their applications to be approved. Post Brexit they are going through reasonably quickly, given all the other problems with visas for Ukrainians.

Chris Grey on his usual good form tday:

...faced with a burgeoning economic crisis, this post-Brexit government is bereft of workable ideas. Its flagship policy has proved an economic dud, but it is inherent in the government’s very formation to be unable to admit that, or to produce any policies that might ameliorate it. Having smashed up the old order, all they can do is stare in slack-jawed bemusement at the rubble around them, like a convention of peculiarly vandalistic village idiots who accidentally got control of a wrecking-ball.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2022/

I don’t like to see comments about migrants on a thread about brexit. My view is that generally speaking we are a better and richer country with all the new would be citizens. It’s still hard to fill many job vacancies and a more sensible housing policy would help considerably. I hate the circumstances in which these people arrive and, while not in favour of the Rwanda solution, something must be done to safeguard them whichever country they end up in.

I don't think rejoining as a full member would be politically possible on either side yet. Rejoining the single market and the customs union would help enormously.

aonk

I don’t like to see comments about migrants on a thread about brexit. My view is that generally speaking we are a better and richer country with all the new would be citizens. It’s still hard to fill many job vacancies and a more sensible housing policy would help considerably. I hate the circumstances in which these people arrive and, while not in favour of the Rwanda solution, something must be done to safeguard them whichever country they end up in.

I'm a bit puzzled by this post, actually, aonk. One of the main drivers of Brexit was so-called control of our borders which meant deciding who migrated here. We used to welcome people from the rest of the EU but that's gone now.

And migrants aren't just those who arrive in small boats. Hundreds of thousands of people migrated to the UK last year. (Somebody here will know the exact number) Only 25,000 came by small boat across the channel.

JRM is not thick, rule that right out, he’s very clever and will say whatever it takes to achieve his aim.

I have no idea what his aims are other than personal enrichment, he wins whatever, because I’m sure his finance traders are short selling sterling right now, all he needs is a volatile currency to win.

There is no prospect of rejoining with this government even if there is a change it will only be EEA under their terms

Germanshepherdsmum

How much do you think it would cost to try to rejoin and what further sacrifices would have to be made?

We don’t have to re-join. But we could join the customs union, which we are more or less running now except our businesses are at a total disadvantage and at least it would even it up.

I don’t think that they could have made it worse if they tried.

I voted Remain and am glad I was not part of creating this sorry mess.

Katie59

JRM is not thick, rule that right out, he’s very clever and will say whatever it takes to achieve his aim.

I have no idea what his aims are other than personal enrichment, he wins whatever, because I’m sure his finance traders are short selling sterling right now, all he needs is a volatile currency to win.

There is no prospect of rejoining with this government even if there is a change it will only be EEA under their terms

If you listened to him today you would definitely wondered about his cognitive ability!

AGAA4

I voted Remain and am glad I was not part of creating this sorry mess.

me too

JRM. “Brexit was an act of self harm”

So why did he lie so much about the advantages to be gained from it?