Keir and Angela’s drinks party

Because, arrghh.

Becuase she wasn't in the interview with the Daily Mail and when it came to light she corrected it.

Have any of you people ever thought of a career writing fiction?

Just so it’s clear - when Labour get caught out in a lie it’s an honest mistake made in good faith.
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That all right then.
Just one more thing. When it was originally denied that Rayner was there, why did she not immediately correct the lie as she most certainly knew where she was at the time.

GrannyGravy How do you turn "The party" acknowledging there was a mistake in the previous information to Starmer directly "misleading"?

There is, as far as I can see, only one person who is trying to mislead. How many extra votes do you think you got for Johnson and his "Con"servative Party, today?

Maizie If the only other choice was Tory I'm sure the Wombles would win - which is horrifying when you think about it.

So why has he said that it was a genuine mistake not to mention that Ms. Rayner was there his words not mine.

A mistake, we all make mistakes but in my experience when it comes from any politician it is more likely to be misleading by omission

God, this is really making me cross. Are you trying to wind us up, GG13.

Excuse me shouting, but, WHAT POSSIBLE REASON WOULD STARMER HAVE HAD TO DELIBERATELY OMIT THE NAME OF SOMEONE WHO WAS ABSOLUTELY ENTITLED TO BE IN THE GROUP?

I think you've been asked this before and you're just sliding past the question. Have you been taking lessons from Boris?

I do think the Wombles could certainly do a better job than the current shower...

Why did you only quote part GrannyGravy?

The Labour party both admitted the error and apologised. Keir Starmer is leaving those whose job it is to get on with it. As far as I can see there was no reason whatsoever that Keir Starmer would have been involved with the PR after the event. The third paragraph was:

A Labour spokesman said no Covid rules had been broken at the gathering, which took place in the Durham constituency office of the local MP.

So I would ask you again, why is missing someone's name off the people at an event at which nothing unlawful, dishonest or dishonourable happened so critical to you. No one lied.

The Labour Party. Keir Starmer.

Not the same thing.

Journalists. The Durham Police.

Not the same thing.

Guilt by association. Can't believe I'm having to explain this. I'm done.

Extract from an article in the Indy

Meanwhile the situation has got stickier when the Labour Party has admitted that Angela Rayner was with Kier Starmer at the event in question

The party acknowledged it had previously told journalists she was not at the event last year, but a source insisted it was a mistake in good faith^

Is the Indy a more trustable source than the DM?

GrannyGravy13

volver

At the very least, Mr. Starmer has mislead the electorate and the media, just another day in the cesspit that is The Palace of Westminster

He hasn't though. And I'm really disappointed that you keep saying he did. I'm going to put it down to ennui.

So why has he said that it was a genuine mistake not to mention that Ms. Rayner was there his words not mine.

A mistake, we all make mistakes but in my experience when it comes from any politician it is more likely to be misleading by omission

I must point out that I am the at the stage that I really do not care if we are ruled by The bloody Wombles…

HE DIDN'T SAY IT. READ THE ARTICLE.

If you believe that, what else do you believe that isn't true?

At the very least, Mr. Starmer has misled the electorate and the media, just another day in the cesspit that is The Palace of Westminster GrannyGravy13

How did he mislead the electorate and the media? Did he go out and say "Angela wasn't there". I didn't hear it; when did you? I only took on board that Starmer was there. How come you knew about this before the latest lies in the Mail, et al? Politicians are not all the same. Johnson is a liar and he lies about important matters of state. This is no more a lie than you forgetting to tell a friend about one of the people who attended a wedding/funeral etc.

I feel that the moral compass of the Tory voter has now actually been turned on its head. They now lie to try and make up a lie by their opponents.

volver

^At the very least, Mr. Starmer has mislead the electorate and the media, just another day in the cesspit that is The Palace of Westminster^

He hasn't though. And I'm really disappointed that you keep saying he did. I'm going to put it down to ennui.

So why has he said that it was a genuine mistake not to mention that Ms. Rayner was there his words not mine.

A mistake, we all make mistakes but in my experience when it comes from any politician it is more likely to be misleading by omission

I must point out that I am the at the stage that I really do not care if we are ruled by The bloody Wombles…

At the very least, Mr. Starmer has mislead the electorate and the media, just another day in the cesspit that is The Palace of Westminster

He hasn't though. And I'm really disappointed that you keep saying he did. I'm going to put it down to ennui.

Germanshepherdsmum

Isn’t this exactly the problem? Endless criticism but nothing to say ‘this is what we would do’? Are they devoid of ideas or afraid of putting forward a suggestion that the current government might take on board?

You haven’t been listening or reading.

Anything you want to know about labour policy?

DaisyAnne you couldn’t be further from the truth regarding my own personal bias

Like I have said repeatedly (I am bored with posting this so I can only assume that you and others must be bored reading it). I am politically homeless and totally over politics until such time that we have politicians who tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

At the very least, Mr. Starmer has mislead the electorate and the media, just another day in the cesspit that is The Palace of Westminster

I shall not hold my breath holding out for a Centrist, honest and electable party, as the wait, in my opinion will be substantial…

Isn’t this exactly the problem? Endless criticism but nothing to say ‘this is what we would do’? Are they devoid of ideas or afraid of putting forward a suggestion that the current government might take on board?

Gillycats
I’m so sick of Labour being portrayed as these perfect people who never do anything wrong or lie. They do. People are delusional if they think otherwise. I’m a paid up union member and normally vote Labour but they’re a shambles.

No, when the media report Labour inaccuracies or omissions, we’re all being manipulated.

Perhaps now they’ll shut up about partygate and focus on letting us know how they would run the country

I’ve even gone so far as to write to KS and my local Labour Party candidate asking exactly that. You’d think that now would be a great time to say how they can improve things in the face of the current government problems.
KS-no response.
My local candidate mentioned a few things-mostly to do with local council issues.
He couldn’t tell me what the LP were going to do about poverty or the rising cost of living or farming or Brexit related problems but he did say there’ll be a lot to sort out “before we even start”which is what every incoming government says.

GrannyGravy13

volver when Durham police investigated the incident they would have requested and been given a list of names who were there.

I would have thought Mr. Starmer was aware of the statement/information and that on seeing that Ms. Rayner was not on the list rectified it at the time.

Giving inaccurate information to the police is not a trait I wish to see in any political party.

You are making things up now GrannyGravy. Despite what you have said, you seem determined to make this a "lie".

What difference did the unintentional missing off of Angela Rayner's name make? Nothing illegal had taken place whether she was there or not. The police didn't think anything illegal had happened and they still don't think anything illegal has happened.

Every time someone points out the fault in your argument, you try and find another to sooth your personal bias.

Durham police have investigated and no lockdown rules were broken. There were no restaurants open, the hotel did not serve food so they bought in pizza and beer, that is a meal, not a party.
As for the birthday cake incident, that took place after rules had changed and you could meet six people indoors for a social gathering..

GrannyGravy13

volver when Durham police investigated the incident they would have requested and been given a list of names who were there.

I would have thought Mr. Starmer was aware of the statement/information and that on seeing that Ms. Rayner was not on the list rectified it at the time.

Giving inaccurate information to the police is not a trait I wish to see in any political party.

Well it was the Mail who asked, not the Police.

From the BBC website:

A Labour spokesman told the BBC their initial response to the Mail's questions had been "a mistake" and not a cover-up, because Labour would have had no reason to conceal Ms Rayner's attendance as no lockdown rules had been broken.

So. It seems nobody lied to the police abut anything, whatever seeds of doubt the Mail have managed to sow.

GrannyGravy13

volver when Durham police investigated the incident they would have requested and been given a list of names who were there.

I would have thought Mr. Starmer was aware of the statement/information and that on seeing that Ms. Rayner was not on the list rectified it at the time.

Giving inaccurate information to the police is not a trait I wish to see in any political party.

All we seem to know is that an inaccurate list was given to Durham Police. We don't know what verbal evidence they were given. For all we know, Starmer may have told the police verbally that Rayner was there. Unless the police were to publish the whole dossier on the incident (which they won't) we will never know what evidence they were working on.

But, there is absolutely no earthly reason why Rayner shouldn't have been there. So why should anyone lie about it?

(Unlike Johnson's wife, who shouldn't have been in a government office offering cake. She doesn't work for No 10 and the only place she should have been was in the flat at No. 11.)

But it's not just Labour who are going on about "Partygate".

When I have time, I might plough through all the obfuscation and find out what Keir Starmer has actually done.

volver when Durham police investigated the incident they would have requested and been given a list of names who were there.

I would have thought Mr. Starmer was aware of the statement/information and that on seeing that Ms. Rayner was not on the list rectified it at the time.

Giving inaccurate information to the police is not a trait I wish to see in any political party.

I hope they get the same treatment as the Conservatives have. I’m so sick of Labour being portrayed as these perfect people who never do anything wrong or lie. They do. People are delusional if they think otherwise. I’m a paid up union member and normally vote Labour but they’re a shambles. Perhaps now they’ll shut up about partygate and focus on letting us know how they would run the country. Then, just then, I’ll maybe consider voting for them in the next election which I wouldn’t do currently.

Mamie

Volver
No in answer to your first four question, wishful thinking / cognitive dissonance in answer to number 5. ?
D'ac with your summary.