Keir and Angela’s drinks party

Mamie

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Wishful thinking / cognitive dissonance

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Sorry, don't understand...

What was the deception? What did they have to hide?

(Please don't feel you have to answer, I know I'm haranguing. But I'm only arguing with you because I don't think you're a lost cause )

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Wishful thinking / cognitive dissonance

Honestly, I think it is deception by omission.

Whether or not it is/was intentional i do not know?

Like I said upthread I really think that I am over politics.

Serious questions.

Before today, did anyone on here know or care whether Rayner was there?

Does it have any bearing on whether Keir drank a beer or not?

Does anybody have any evidence of the Labour party denying she was there?

Does it matter whether she was there or not?

Why is anybody taken in by this????

(Blimey am I falling down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole?)

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volver I know that this is timed for the local elections next week.

I just have this niggling doubt regarding why this was not corrected at the time, and all the subsequent times when this gathering has been brought up in various media outlets?

I really really dislike lying/liars which is why I cannot give the PM my continued support.

(Blimey am I falling down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole?)

Liebour the new name for Labour?

GG13 I for one remember that you have criticised Johnson and his government in the past few months.

TBH, that's why I am so surprised to see that you believe this Daily Mail nonsense. There is no story here and they want people to believe that every politician is as bad as the others. And they are not.

I doubt Starmer or anybody else is perfect, but this entire story is fabricated, and the Mail is using "clever" techniques to make people think Starmer or someone else in the Labour Party lied and broke the law, and there is no evidence for that whatsoever.

But, get the electorate to think they are all as bad as each other, a big proportion don't bother to vote or spoil their ballots, Johnson and the Tories get in again. Dacre gets his knighthood. Its not rocket science.

I am not defending Mr. Johnson or his government’s record (or should I say non record)

I am just tired with politics.

Iam64

DaisyAnne ????

I add mine to that

I would also add that it is beginning to look as if someone is stalking Angela Rayner.

DaisyAnne ????

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Tbh I would be a little circumspect in crowing too much if I was a Tory supporter.

We have at least 3 more parties to be fined, one in which Johnson acted as barman.

The report by Sue thingy is also yet to be published.

I am in no way crowing Whitewavemark2 I actually feel let down.

I am not a huge fan of Mr.Starmer but I did actually believe he was truthful…

Where is the evidence that he was being anything but truthful GrannyGravy? A mistake was made and, unlike the other lot they have put it right and apologised.

It's not as if he said:

“More people in work now than when the pandemic started”
Or
"If we had listened to the Opposition, we would have stayed in the European Medicines Agency and we would never have been able to deliver the vaccine roll-out at the speed that we did.”
Or
“The Secretary of State for Wales is called Simon Hart”
Or
“I’ve spoken to constituents and they’ve done nothing but express support for the Prime Minister…I haven’t spoke to a single constituent that is angry.”
Or
“It is an astonishing fact that we have 420,000 more people in work than before the pandemic began.”
Or
"We are recruiting 50,000 more nurses"
Or
“Unlike what Labour wanted to do, which was to lock down before Christmas”
Or
“I would particularly note that it is thanks to the fact that we are not in the European Union that we were able to move so quickly” with the vaccine rollout."
Or
"Labour “said that we needed a road map to lockdown” after the emergence of the Omicron variant."
Or
"If we were to do what Labour would do, go back into the EU and remain aligned with the EU single market. That is the objective of the Labour party.”
Or
“If we look at the statistics, we see that economic inequality is down in this country. Income inequality is down and poverty is down.”
Or
“[There are] 2.2 million people supported with the Warm Homes Discount, Mr Speaker, worth £140 per week.”
Or
“Never forget that [TfL] was left with a very considerable sum of money by the previous mayor, who left the coffers full.”

Okay, there are more but I'm sure you get the point. These are part of The lies, falsehoods, and misdirections that have come out of the Johnson government- deliberately and often.

Missing a name off a list, correcting it and apologising really cannot compare GrannyGravy and it is someone telling the truth. Perhaps it's just hard to recognise a truth if you are a fan of Johnson.

No, come on, really?

The press expect us to believe that Johnson is not to be held responsible for raucous parties in the house where he lives and works, but Starmer is to be responsible for a list sent by a press officer that nobody seems to have known existed until earlier this week?

Two things I'd like to say.

The Mail witter on about the whole Rayner thing but don't offer any evidence of anybody saying anything, ever. They also make a big deal about the fact the the beer was drunk at 10pm (or something) so how could it have been that they all went back to work later? Well lots of people who are dedicated to their jobs work later than 10pm. Why is that even a question?

Can people not see that this is all confected? Can people not see that the DM is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill? Actually not even a molehill. There's nothing there. Are people so blind to that? The DM is trying to subvert democracy in this country. I know that sounds dramatic, but it's what they are doing.

I am afraid that you are correct Mollygo

It doesn’t really matter. Those anti -Tory will continue to support the idea that Starmer’s inaccuracies are different because they were made in good faith. Those pro Tory will point out Starmer’s inaccuracies are no better than theirs.
I’d just really like a government I could trust and that’s just a pipe dream, because however many hardworking MPs there are in any party, they’re all tarred with the reputation of those who make it into the news.

Those of you who are blaming a press officer do you not think that it is at least a dereliction of duty by Mr. Starmer to not be aware of the evidence of attendance given to the Durham Police?

Surely he would have seen it and has had many months to correct it?

They could indeed DaisyAnne. Libel, slander, defamation and Starmer will, of course, know this. It's all such a transparent and desperate ploy ahead of next week's local elections to try to fool the electorate yet again. Many fell for it in 2016 and again in 2019 ... and here we are.

I saw on twitter yesterday that the charming Paul Staines, aka Guido Fawkes, is trying to smear Sue Grey by claiming that she has a connection known to be an activist Labour supporter (sorry, no detail but I didn't follow up the tweet)

Mamie

Thank you GG13 - so it was just that she was left off a list? Is there a sub-text here that I am missing? Why would it matter if she was there or not?

Well, GG13 is claiming that Keir Starmer lied about Rayner's presence.

Question. Is she claiming this on the evidence of 'the list' or is it because he is on record as having personally denied that she was there?

What is amusing me is The Telegraph being cited, presumably as a reliable source. The Telegraph that is not averse to employing liars, is it? How many years did Johnson work for them? And doesn't he still give them a column or two?

Urmstongran

I'm afraid most of us will see a good deal of similarity between sitting in a work place having a piece of cake and a glass of wine with workmates and standing in the kitchen with a beer and sandwich with (well not exactly work mates were they?).
Then was the misleading of the press really a "genuine mistake" or a lie? I suppose to the anti Boris, and anti Brexit, brigade it's only Tories who lie, never ever Labour, especially not the forensic Sir Bended knee and Angela crossed legs.

Oh ... and another one.

It really doesn't matter - as you have now been pointed out on several occasions - what they ate or drank. The only time what they ate or drank at the No 10 parties was criticised, was in Sue Gray's report where she said:

The excessive consumption of alcohol is not appropriate in a professional workplace at any time. Steps must be taken to ensure that every government department has a clear and robust policy in place covering the consumption of alcohol in the workplace.

That was not about Covid rules, it was about conduct in the workplace. Something the Tories have shown this week they don't have a very good hold on.

A beer and a pizza after a long day of doorknocking in the constituency is a meal - but that doesn't matter either.

It's simple UG. The canvassing was legal. The social gatherings, in the numbers they had, were not. In no case was what they ate or drank anything to do with the law.

Nothing, no matter how much people lie, will change this.

Durham police are not reopening this. They see no reason to. I would suggest that if the Tories continue to pursue it they may find themselves in breach of some law.

Why are the Sun, the Mail and the Express and you ignoring Ukraine for a none-story? Someone somewhere must be very worried.

Mamie

Thank you GG13 - so it was just that she was left off a list? Is there a sub-text here that I am missing? Why would it matter if she was there or not?

Mamie I think this has been investigated by the Durham Police Mr Starmer in his former job as head of the PPS should be aware that being truthful in regard to a police investigation is paramount.

For clarity I also feel that the Conservatives should be held up to these standards, and they have failed miserably.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Tbh I would be a little circumspect in crowing too much if I was a Tory supporter.

We have at least 3 more parties to be fined, one in which Johnson acted as barman.

The report by Sue thingy is also yet to be published.

I am in no way crowing Whitewavemark2 I actually feel let down.

I am not a huge fan of Mr.Starmer but I did actually believe he was truthful…

Just stop and think for heavens sake before you allow the bloody Tory press to influence your thought processes.

Starmer hasn’t lied. No one has.

A press officer made a mistake, but quite frankly given that it was a full on working day what the hell does it matter one way or another, who was at work and who wasn’t!

But if the list was produced by a press officer, how does that mean that Starmer was lying?