Roe v Wade

Tinydancer -- In the US they have little regard for living people, they have the death penalty in parts still, a very high prison population, guns on sale in supermarkets, very poor welfare for those on their uppers and no health service. This disregard for human life will be exacerbated if this legislation goes through.

Indeed true.

“In 1973, the Roe v. Wade decision concluded that women have a constitutionally protected right to safe and legal abortions. That landmark decision wasn't the beginning of women having abortions; it was the end of women dying from abortions.” – Jan Schakowsky

DaisyAnne

Glorianny

We don't have a written constitution.

I think the Supreme court will eventually over throw RvW which will mean some states will make abortion very difficult if not impossible. Abortion will still be permitted in more liberal states which means women will travel to access abortion as they did in the past. The problem now is that some of those women will face prosecution when they return home.

We do have a written constitution. We don't have a codified constitution.

Can you provide me with a link to this constitution please. Your previous post which was a quote stated quite clearly there is no written constitution. But if you have evidence and a link to one I'm quite willing to be corrected.
As far as I know the UK has never had a written constitution.
Some people think we should have one.

I haven't finished reading the whole thread but I wonder if Theodorap is from the US as foetus has been spelt the American way, fetus.
In the US they have little regard for living people, they have the death penalty in parts still, a very high prison population, guns on sale in supermarkets, very poor welfare for those on their uppers and no health service. This disregard for human life will be exacerbated if this legislation goes through.

Be aware DaisyAnne that volver may fire a salvo at you now for posting what someone in America posted - as she did me in the first page ...
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Moving on:
The Supreme Court confirmed in a statement that while the leaked document that could overturn Roe vs. Wade is "authentic, it does not represent a decision by the court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case.” Chief Justice John Roberts said an investigation into who leaked the draft to Politico is underway, calling the disclosure an "egregious breach" of the court's trust. President Joe Biden called the potential decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade “radical,” saying it could jeopardize other rights such as gay marriage and birth control and that "a woman's right to choose is fundamental." A final ruling is not expected until the end of the court’s term in late June or early July.

A leak? More like a dam break!

I'm not pro-murdering babies.
I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20 week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.
I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.
I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.
I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11 year old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.
I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.
I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.
I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction in order to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE amount of fetuses.
I'm pro-Christina who doesn't want to be a mother, but birth control methods sometimes fail.
I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.
I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.
I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.
I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.
You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:
I'm pro-life.
Their lives.
Women's lives.
You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted.
Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!
#roevwade #prochoice #abortion #women #womensrights #mybody #mychoice #mybodymychoice

This post was shared on my Facebook page by one of my American relations. I have to admit I'm not usually keen on this sort of post. Then I got to the bit I have put in bold.

I realised that I too am pro-choice - because I am pro-life.

Baggs

^if Wade V Roe is pushed back then gay marriage and legal access to birth control could be next^

How so, suedonim, unless they have been pushed by the judiciary rather than by the electorate as well?

It’s mentioned in the link I provided, Baggs. I don’t want to C&P it as it’s rather long!

icanhandthemback Your post 13:46:23
My heart goes out to you.

SueDonim -- apologies for spelling

A certain kind of man just can’t keep his mind and hands off women’s bodies. They just want control and do anything to get it. I wish to God they would just leave women alone. Imagine being forced to carry to term a deformed baby who wouldn’t live beyond a few days or weeks? Or forced to carry your rapists child and watch his face for the rest of your life? Of course women should have the choice of either morning after birth control or early abortions.

Mmm. I don't think that's how it works although I doubt you are alone in wanting it to be so Baggs.

One of the reasons this is viewed through a haze is the MPs' lack of proberty. They stand on a platform written into their manifesto. That is what we are voting for; that is what they have promised to do. But how much have we been able to trust them to follow it in recent years?

Changes may well be needed but we currently have the system we have.

Sue Donin __ if Wade V Roe is pushed back then gay marriage and legal access to birth control could be next

Indeed, and that is a large part of the far right agenda.

Thank you foxie48 eazybee I had to leave the discussion because it felt a bit aggressive

But then they attacked you for saying that everyone is entitled to their opinion

Honestly it felt like being back n the playground

Wasn't going to post further but wanted to say thank you x

To those that now desire to start another attack I won't be answering thank you

"The UK is often said to have an ‘unwritten’ constitution. This is not strictly correct. It is largely written, but in different documents. But it has never been codified, brought together in a single document. In this respect, the UK is different from most other countries, which have codified constitutions. But not all: New Zealand and Israel also lack a codified constitution. "
Apologies, as DaisyAnne has pointed out we do have a "written" constitution although I suspect I'm not the only one who thought we didn't. The power of GN, I learn something every day!

Yes, I agree it's not straightforward, daisyanne, but I do think our political rperesentatives should be at least open to having their minds changed on issues that the public feels strongly about. And experience suggests that this is indeed the case or progress on issues like gay marriage would not have happened, I suspect.

if Wade V Roe is pushed back then gay marriage and legal access to birth control could be next

How so, suedonim, unless they have been pushed by the judiciary rather than by the electorate as well?

Norah

Foxie48 -- It's such a pity that RBG didn't resign on health grounds when Obama was president, so that he could make the replacement appointment.

The Republicans put off voting on M Garland, under Obama - why would they have allowed voting on a RBG replacement under Obama?

This in a country with more guns than adults and the death penalty for prison inmates? They value life? Really?

Yes, of course. I'd forgotten that they had refused because the nomination took place in an election year and then Trump nominated Amy Coney Barrett in his election year! I think Ruth B G had been very unwell for rather a long time, anyway it's all water under the bridge so to speak.

... on the other hand, our political representatives are supposed to support what the voters want, not impose their own views/principles. Baggs Wed 04-May-22 14:28:52

I don't think that's true Baggs. If it were, your MP would be a delegate not a representative and we would be having constant votes locally (or perhaps by social media) so he knew what he had to do.

Edmund Burke said an MP “owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion”.

I don't think that has changed, much as the hordes on some media sites would like it too.

The link would be useful.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61311966

Icanhandthemback Surely any decent person would be full of compassion for the situation you were in. Sometimes there are no right answers.

The BBC has a very interesting article today about the whole Supreme Court aspect and what the leak itself means. It also says that if Wade V Roe is pushed back then gay marriage and legal access to birth control could be next. What a terrifying prospect.

DaisyAnne 11.26: that is a pretty powerful analogy.
I return to reiterate my view, stated early on in this thread. Women have sought to terminate a pregnancy they felt that they could not continue with since the beginning of time ( there are, I believe, references to advice for this in Ancient Egyptian texts).
Making this procedure unlawful will not result in these foetuses being carried to term, but potentially, them being lost, inside their dead mother.
I am a lifelong Christian, which is a faith that urges compassion .

Glorianny

We don't have a written constitution.

I think the Supreme court will eventually over throw RvW which will mean some states will make abortion very difficult if not impossible. Abortion will still be permitted in more liberal states which means women will travel to access abortion as they did in the past. The problem now is that some of those women will face prosecution when they return home.

We do have a written constitution. We don't have a codified constitution.

Thank you, Wheniwasyourage and those of you who have responded with kindness to my posts. Yes, I have found great happiness with my family, my youngest son who came along after our woes and the subsequent grandchildren. At the time, I didn't think I would ever get over it but a week after leaving hospital, I saw Comic Relief where women had lost the whole of their families and had to walk for miles to get support. Although it didn't fully take away the pain, I realised that I was actually very lucky.

" My body, my choice".

Sorry wrong thread.