Durham Police to Investigate Kier Starmer over breaking lockdown rules

No it isn’t, much as you would like it to be.

Excuse me? No it isn’t what?
Anyway your opinion isn’t God’s own truth, much as you might like it to be.

GrannyGravy13

I would like to see Mr Johnson ejected from his position as PM unfortunately I cannot see it happening anytime soon.

As for Mr Starmer if he is exonerated all well and good, if however, he is fined unfortunately after calling for Mr.Johnson to resign repeatedly before and after he was issued with a FPN he may be the architect of his own demise…

You keep forgetting that Starmer's principle reason for calling for Johnson's resignation was that Johnson lied to Parliament.

However...

I think that all the people happily saying that if Starmer resigns Johnson will have to resign, are delusionary. Johnson will not resign.

What is more, there are swathes of the population who care nothing about the utterly corrupt and despicable PM's continual lying, but can be whipped into a feeding frenzy over one possible lapse by the LOTO. As all this is taking place in the papers with the highest combined circulations in the UK I suspect that Johnson will be thinking that the country is behind him...

volver

If Starmer does resign, how does that make it look for Johnson?

If Starmer thought it was the right thing to do to resign, I think he would. Unlike Johnson who is going to have to be removed from office with a spanner.

I wouldn’t use a spanner?

Time to focus on what the DM and Tories would rather we didn’t

10 million homes face fuel poverty this winter with bills rising to £3,000- that’s from the boss of Scottish Power.

A staggering 2.4 million Brits have gone whole days without food because they can't afford it.

A PM who spends £800 a roll on wall paper and gets £27,000 worth of food donated to him is not a man who considers the impact of missing a meal.

The NHS is crumbling

On and on

If Starmer does resign, how does that make it look for Johnson?

If Starmer thought it was the right thing to do to resign, I think he would. Unlike Johnson who is going to have to be removed from office with a spanner.

Indeed re Starmer " GG13 However, I shall wait, at least for a reasonable period, and see what is actually going on and what he says when he has something to talk about.

I would like to see Mr Johnson ejected from his position as PM unfortunately I cannot see it happening anytime soon.

As for Mr Starmer if he is exonerated all well and good, if however, he is fined unfortunately after calling for Mr.Johnson to resign repeatedly before and after he was issued with a FPN he may be the architect of his own demise…

DaisyAnne

Whitewavemark2

maddyone

This is rumbling on and on, just like ‘partygate’ rumbled on and on. I think the media should drop it and we should all concentrate on the important issues such as the cost of living, the war in Ukraine etc. If Starmer gets a fine he should pay it and move on. He does not need to resign. We all need to move on in my humble opinion.

The problem at the moment is that the right wing Johnson supporting press will run with this as long as they are able to do so in order to take the flack away from Johnson.

But he really is a goner and the sooner the Tories find the courage to give him the boot the better for all concerned and then we can definitely move on.

This is the point, isn't it WWM. I can imagine someone coming in, as a "Conservative" leader, and wanting to run the country - some have in the past.

However, I don't think the ERG - who are nowhere near "Conservative" would let that happen. I believe much of the delay in kicking Johnson out is because they cannot offer someone as compliant with their beliefs as he is who would be acceptable. Johnson used Brexit to do this. We now have no Brexit to divide the country and a very dodgy future for the majority of us.

I have a feeling Johnson is the one who will rumble on.

It is all so bloody depressing

Grantanow

More dead cat stuff to keep the punters diverted from the real failures of Johnson and his cronies. Don't waste time on it. Think about gas bills, garage bills for fuel and inflation.

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Whitewavemark2

maddyone

This is rumbling on and on, just like ‘partygate’ rumbled on and on. I think the media should drop it and we should all concentrate on the important issues such as the cost of living, the war in Ukraine etc. If Starmer gets a fine he should pay it and move on. He does not need to resign. We all need to move on in my humble opinion.

The problem at the moment is that the right wing Johnson supporting press will run with this as long as they are able to do so in order to take the flack away from Johnson.

But he really is a goner and the sooner the Tories find the courage to give him the boot the better for all concerned and then we can definitely move on.

This is the point, isn't it WWM. I can imagine someone coming in, as a "Conservative" leader, and wanting to run the country - some have in the past.

However, I don't think the ERG - who are nowhere near "Conservative" would let that happen. I believe much of the delay in kicking Johnson out is because they cannot offer someone as compliant with their beliefs as he is who would be acceptable. Johnson used Brexit to do this. We now have no Brexit to divide the country and a very dodgy future for the majority of us.

I have a feeling Johnson is the one who will rumble on.

maddyone

This is rumbling on and on, just like ‘partygate’ rumbled on and on. I think the media should drop it and we should all concentrate on the important issues such as the cost of living, the war in Ukraine etc. If Starmer gets a fine he should pay it and move on. He does not need to resign. We all need to move on in my humble opinion.

No, it isn't, much as you might like it to be. I came up on Thursday of last week, there has been a weekend when I would expect little could be done to liaise with the police and now we are on Monday. That cannot, by anyone with a brain and a conscience be seen as "rumbling on".

If I had to put money on it I expect they are working towards a statement by Wednesday although I don't think there are any PMQs this week - but I may be wrong about that. If he took until Friday to clear his name he would have only taken a week to wipe away the Tory muck. It may take longer.

That is what the Tory lies are designed to do. We now have people on this forum who have learned their deflection from the far-right in parliament. These things are designed to make the unthinking or fearful believe that truth is lies and lies are truth. We were warned about that but perhaps nobody listened.

More dead cat stuff to keep the punters diverted from the real failures of Johnson and his cronies. Don't waste time on it. Think about gas bills, garage bills for fuel and inflation.

Germanshepherdsmum

He can’t dodge the police’s questions Daisy but why back out of an event which includes a journalists’ Q&A? He has the perfect - and entirely correct, as he would know - response to the inevitable questions. The ongoing police investigation of which you are aware means it is inappropriate for me to comment. Next please!

You are a better person than this GSM. I have seen hints of that person recently.

When has he attempted to "dodge" police questions? Yet again we see these false trails laid. What value is there in telling journalists he can't comment? Basically, you want to see him in a sort of modern stocks. I think he is a wise man not to offer himself up to this. Why the h* * * should he?

Why talk to the Think Tank at this point? You want him out whether this investigation is spurious or legitimate and by fair means or foul. If that were to happen, his speech would have been a waste of time and what is he going to tell the journalists that hasn't been already been said?

As I understand it, under the law, Keir Starmer's solicitor has to be provided with 'sufficient' disclosure to enable legal advice to be given. That would be my guess at what is happening today.

I know it doesn't suit the far-right, who care nothing about lies and distortions as a way of doing things but I can see Starmer being clear and methodical about sorting out what is going on. That doesn't mean I would vote for him but it does mean I don't want my country run by journalists' sound bites or right-wing conspiracies and lies.

GrannyGravy13

^Can you get off all your sources of tripe and post something that is at lease legal^

Not exactly a nice way to address another poster?

Sources of tripe - the is saying something about the source not the messenger.

maddyone

This is rumbling on and on, just like ‘partygate’ rumbled on and on. I think the media should drop it and we should all concentrate on the important issues such as the cost of living, the war in Ukraine etc. If Starmer gets a fine he should pay it and move on. He does not need to resign. We all need to move on in my humble opinion.

The problem at the moment is that the right wing Johnson supporting press will run with this as long as they are able to do so in order to take the flack away from Johnson.

But he really is a goner and the sooner the Tories find the courage to give him the boot the better for all concerned and then we can definitely move on.

I didn’t ‘read’ that DaisyAnne it was my own opinion on the matter. The usual ‘tripe’ (and onions?) from me then ....

I’ll duck behind the sofa now.

This is rumbling on and on, just like ‘partygate’ rumbled on and on. I think the media should drop it and we should all concentrate on the important issues such as the cost of living, the war in Ukraine etc. If Starmer gets a fine he should pay it and move on. He does not need to resign. We all need to move on in my humble opinion.

Can you get off all your sources of tripe and post something that is at lease legal

Not exactly a nice way to address another poster?

That wasn’t rude. I entirely agree with what Daisy said. Unfortunately people don’t seem to understand that the law regarding defamation extends to posts on social media.

DaisyAnne

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne whatever the question rudeness is not the answer.

And just where have I been "rude" GrannyGravy?

09.19.23 today…

He can’t dodge the police’s questions Daisy but why back out of an event which includes a journalists’ Q&A? He has the perfect - and entirely correct, as he would know - response to the inevitable questions. The ongoing police investigation of which you are aware means it is inappropriate for me to comment. Next please!

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne whatever the question rudeness is not the answer.

And just where have I been "rude" GrannyGravy?

Germanshepherdsmum

He could at least have the balls to face up to questions. Can always say he can’t comment on an ongoing police investigation.

I imagine that is exactly what he is doing GSM - with the police. He will be asking for sight of their evidence and their reason for re-opening the case won't he? You will know this better than I do. I would presume that is why he is not giving his speech to the Think Tank.

I do appreciate that we no longer have journalists who treat a subject to in-depth scrutiny but do we also have to behave as if we only have one brain cell?

DaisyAnne whatever the question rudeness is not the answer.