Our bloated NHS - it’s beyond ridiculous now.

Sorry, that was in answer to growstuff's question about where the axe should fall.

Urmstongran

She can’t help herself kitty. She lies in wait for me I think!
No matter.

On those who peddle propaganda rather than facts.

So what jobs exactly do the NHS staff who aren't doctors or nurses do?

According to the Nuffield Trust, most of them are chiropodists/podiatrists, dieticians, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, radiographers, healthcare scientists, pharmacists, operating theatre technicians, phlebotomists, building maintenance staff, secretaries, receptionists, HR/payroll staff, paramedics, ambulance drivers and stock control staff.

The Health and Social Care Act 2012 and the internal markets resulted in thousands of staff being needed to administer commissioning, ie buying in services and awarding contracts.

Where do people think the axe should fall?

Oh look. Right wing Think Tank throws red meat to tory supporters who obligingly gobble it up.

It's not all that it claims to be...

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/01/no-10-lobby-groups-democracy-policy-exchange

I think we all love the NHS but we mustn't allow it never to be criticised.

I'm sure there are loads of managers urmstongran but how do they count the technical roles? The sonographer, IT workers, radiologists, phlebotomists - and the porters, people on the switchboard, personal assistants to the consultants?

I would think there are lots of "back room" staff as well as researchers (my daughter is neither a doctor nor a nurse but is a researcher at major teaching hospital).

Just wondering where these figures are from?
Do you have a reference please?

What is desperately needed is for GPs to revert back to their pre-Covid appointments.

A & E’s are overwhelmed by people who cannot for multiple reasons get to see their GP. By the time they get to A & E they need admitting.

We have had experience of this recently, an AC went to A & E at 7.30am and got talking to an elderly lady. AC was seen treated and discharged with a caveat to ring 111 if their symptoms persisted or worsened. We rang 111 and were told that we would be holding on for approximately 90-120 minutes, so DH returned AC to A & E. AC returned to A & E at 6.30pm the same lady was sitting in the same seat still waiting to be seen, AC had to sit on the floor for over four hours before being seen, then they could find no record of their earlier visit, it was only when they showed the bruise/cannula entry site that they believed them. The registrar discharged them with a prescription to be taken to pharmacy when opened, because in his words we would under normal circumstances admit you, but we have no available beds anywhere

I am an admirer of the NHS but it does need a radical makeover, throwing money at it is not the solution, yet to see a Political Party to come up with anything or the balls

The NHS is permanently in ‘some kind of crisis’.

Amanda Pritchard took over as CEO of NHS England from Simon Stevens last August. Yet she was paid a third more!
How come?

No Urmstongran I'm a retired gardener with an interest in facts.

This is a dated chart (sorry, I can't find a more current one quickly to illustrate the point).

The staff make-up of the NHS is not a binary nurses/doctors or admin/management choice.

Anyone got any idea why the NHS could need more admin and management staff over the last couple of years? It's not as though they've been facing any kind of crisis is it??

This will turn into a blame game. It will be the management's fault and has nothing to do with the underfunding by government of the NHS.

Are you an NHS manager Lido??

She can’t help herself kitty. She lies in wait for me I think!
No matter.

Too many managers. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. I don’t suppose our doctors and nurses are happy but I bet the administrators are delighted. Big fat salaries. Huge index linked pensions. So many ‘tick boxes’ - diversity, inclusion, well-being courses - plus ‘targets’ whereby the top managers get a bonus for delivering them (on top of their well remunerative posts). Surely that’s part & parcel of their remit anyway?

Good post, urms.

I don't see that there was a need post in that manner volver.

Are you disputing the facts?

NHS managers make up circa 2 per cent of the workforce compared to 9.5 cent of the UK workforce.

In recent years the number of managers has been cut, at a time when the NHS is facing its biggest challenge.

The NHS as a whole is under, not over, managed. However, persistent and misleading media headlines continue to claim that the NHS is overmanaged.

www.nhsconfed.org/long-reads/nhs-overmanaged

The NHS has experienced a decade of underfunding since 2010, despite cash boosts in 2018 and 2019. Between 2009-2019 the NHS budgets rose on average just 1.4% per year, compared to 3.7% average rises since the NHS was established.

Somehow, I just knew who had started this thread.

No pictures Urmstongran?

BTW - Telegraph.