Rape and sexual assault

If that is true, then it all sounds vile.

To be honest, the tractor stuff was nothing in comparison (apart from using the phone when supposedly working.)

The accuser is, apparently, a male politician, who has known the accused since he (the accuser) was a teenager.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10830959/Row-grows-Tory-MP-suspected-rape-Man-50s-told-stay-away-House-Commons.html

The figure of only 3 percent of alleged rapes resulting in prosecution is shameful
It’s also depressing to see so
Many posters seem keen to ignore the shameful lack of prosecutions , never mind successful prosecutions. Instead, their focus is the damage to men who they seem to believe are falsely accused.
Lack of prosecution doesn’t mean ‘found innocent’. The CPS won’t prosecute unless over eighty percent sure of a guilty finding. The criminal justice system remains stacked against victims

Apparently only 3% of rape cases reported end in a prosecution or a sentence. So even if the man in question was/is guilty it's highly unlikely that he'll be prosecuted. Also this government seems quite happy to have people of dubious moral character retain their positions of power. It's basically still a mens club.. The 'Old School Tie' used to uphold morals...at least in public any way. BJ doesn't even bother to do that.
I think nowadays these issues of crimes against (mostly) women are coming to light in a way they didn't before. The 'Me Too' movement has made it possible for women to come forward without not being believed or being shamed, but there's a long way to go, sadly.

Once again, Fabricant showing he is morally bankrupt by making a joke about that case. Rebuked by at least some of his own party. Tweet now removed but not before it's been copied so he can't hide from it. The same appalling Tory MP who, a few week ago, slurred nurses and teachers in a failed attempt to vindicate the PM for lockdown breaches.

There are currently 56 MPs being investigAted for sexual offences. That’s almost 9% of them, or over 13% of male MPs. I cannot imagine that other workplaces have similar levels.

Today, Tory MPs are cracking jokes relating to one of them the MP being asked not to attend. Joking about rape, FFS.

Toxic culture is probably the politest thing one could say about Westminster politics, and the Tory party in particular.

It seems to me that hardly a day goes by without another scandal within the Tory party. He may be innocent but the police feel they have enough evidence to prosecute.
Our present government has been brought into disrepute on so many fronts.

According to friends overseas all the accusations of lies, corruption and law breaking in the UK government are covered by their media. When it comes to negotiations the UK has lost the leadership as nobody respects the current Prime Minister and his party.

maddyone

GrannyGravy13

Why would anyone feel ashamed of their country due to a man who happens to be an MP being under investigation for sexual assault and rape?

How will it impact you?

Yes, it’s ridiculous to say you’re ashamed of your country because someone has been accused of rape. Not convicted, accused.

Some decent and respectable people do say the most ridiculous things on Gransnet. Is it decent to condemn someone because of an allegation and that’s all it is…….I don’t think so.

TerriBull It doesn't affect this current case which involves historic crimes alleged to have been committed between 2002 and 2009 but last week, leader of the House of Commons, Mark Spencer, said that his party was committed to selecting higher quality candidates at the next general election, claiming the snap contests of 2017 and 2019 had led to mistakes.

"I think we’ll be in a much better place at the next general election, certainly in the [Conservative] party as we will have taken much more time to scrutinise people. There will be a much longer process,” he said.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/17/tory-mp-arrested-on-suspicion-of-and-banned-from-commons-reports?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

We know that a lot of money from the likes of Sheleg and the Cayzer Trust was used in the 2019 election campaign to get Tories into red wall seats. Literally, any body they could find. Which is how we end up with MPs like turncoat Lee Anderson rejected by the Labour party for poor conduct flipped by Cayzer Trust money. He still receives regular large donations from the trust.

The MP has been investigated for two years concerning alleged offences, and there are further investigations being conducted, which suggests the accusations are difficult to verify.
Alleged victims of sexual crimes have automatic anonymity and the same should apply to the accused until he is charged.
The MP concerned has been asked to stay away from Parliament but is allowed to participate in debates (how ?). The story should not have been broken until/unless he is formally charged precisely because other men are cast under suspicion.

Is his one of the names on Teresa May's "lost " list of Tory MP's with sexual offences reported in house but never dealt with properly? Can we look forward to seeing the rest of their large number "found" any time soon?

Yes - Putin on gardening leave confirms predictive text is on the loose.

I wish somebody would put Putin on gardening leave.

TerriBull

I think unfortunately a malaise and lack of morals can often be attributed to some in public life regardless of their political persuasion. I often wonder how these people get elected given they're often tainted in the first place.

Should we feel ashamed as a nation? that doesn't make any sense to me! Do you imagine the French feel ashamed because Sarkozy was found guilty of corruption, or of sexual predator and rapist Strauss Khan not to mention Christine La Gard and her non payment of tax. Such people rise to the top everywhere to preside over us and tell us how to behave when often they don't do so themselves. In a democracy we can at least get rid of them, no chance if you live in somewhere like Russia, talking of shame does it get any worse than what they are inflicting on the Ukrainians?

Brilliant post TerriBull.

And don’t forget Berlusconi in Italy.

Iam64

Sorry - fat fingers on phone

He should be prevented from working until he’s charged, or the case abandoned.

The prosecution, never mind conviction of alleged rapists is a disgrace. Women are not protected

Oh I don't know. "Putin gardening leave" has brought some wonderful images to my mind.

volver

But even if they are "deselected" immediately that doesn't mean they stop being MP straight away, I think? A party can "disown" an MP but they stay an MP. Isn't there some rule about putting the vote to the electorate again if they get a sentence over a certain length of time?

A sentence of over 12 months in jail automatically triggers a recall ballot. But only after all appeals are exhausted. I believe.

Innocent or not surely the party whip should be removed so the MP is effectively suspended, just as happens in other workplaces when this kind of allegation is made.

Sorry - fat fingers on phone

He should be prevented from working until he’s charged, or the case abandoned.

The prosecution, never mind conviction of alleged rapists is a disgrace. Women are not protected

It’s been a two year investigation. The alleged offences are serious. In any other role in public service,he’d be suspended or Putin gardening leave. He shiyjd

I am not going to repeat it on here, but it is being discussed on sm and there are 5 MPs who fit the description, four have been 'alibied' by their appearances in the House. I imagine there will be a rush to be seen at PMQs today so that all non alleged perpetrators of the crimes can clear their names. As an aside, I was pleased to see that Jess Phillips, when interviewed in the lobby, did not make political points, defended her colleagues, while acknowledging that there was still some way to go.

correction "alleged" rapist Strauss Khan. Plenty of them in public life world wide.

One of the things that bothers me about this is that while the case continues, this MP has been asked to stay away from the Parliamentary Estate. That leaves his constituents without proper representation, for example, he cannot raise matters publicly in the House of Commons or meet with Ministers within the Parliamentary Estate to raise private concerns of his constituents.

www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/what/

We need some mechanism to deal with this situation.

I think unfortunately a malaise and lack of morals can often be attributed to some in public life regardless of their political persuasion. I often wonder how these people get elected given they're often tainted in the first place.

Should we feel ashamed as a nation? that doesn't make any sense to me! Do you imagine the French feel ashamed because Sarkozy was found guilty of corruption, or of sexual predator and rapist Strauss Khan not to mention Christine La Gard and her non payment of tax. Such people rise to the top everywhere to preside over us and tell us how to behave when often they don't do so themselves. In a democracy we can at least get rid of them, no chance if you live in somewhere like Russia, talking of shame does it get any worse than what they are inflicting on the Ukrainians?

The man concerned has been bailed pending further enquiries.
Most unfair to speculate on his possible identity until he has been charged.

I do feel it's wrong that this has been all over the media before this man has been fully investigated by the police.