Why is Johnson more popular than Starmer?

Growstuff let you take your meds dear

Arggh I see - dull likes dull

BJ’s appalling handling of it?
Well I could certainly point out some mistakes, especially those regarding contracts for friends, and like everyone else, with hindsight, have done it better.
My thoughts . . .
He should have had police out with guns like they did in other countries to make sure people stayed off the beaches and other gathering places.

He should have insisted on the sort of lockdown that’s going on in China at the moment.

He should have insisted everyone wore a mask or stayed in instead of allowing the choice.
He should have, having done an excellent job in obtaining vaccine, have insisted that everyone had it, including the microchip fearing resisters.

He should have closed beaches and other public gatherings where those who didn’t care if there were rules did just as they wanted.

No one knew exactly what to do, although there are a lot of hindsight experts now.

Growstuff lol love to -
but alas the woke are trying to ban comedians
right now - They want to decide for us what we may be permitted to laugh at

Has half term started early?

jeaniebquick

I was probably the only one in my road who wasn't flouting lock down- but really Growstuff how did you not see the 1000's of folk out marching mixing and protesting and raving on a daily basis in our country during lockdown?

I don't have a good imagination, so I don't fantasise that often. Simples!

My guess is that the raves would have been legal if they had taken place in Downing Street.

As the rules were too confusing for the person who made them to understand, I'm also guessing that the people who fell foul of them, such as the women out for a walk with cups of coffee, or the students playing with snowballs will get their fines back and their records cleared.

I can't guess what China has got to do with the reason why Johnson appears to be more popular than Starmer, though.

jeaniebquick Have you ever considered comedy as a sideline?

Perhaps his 'blocked nose' voice is too irritating

MaizieD -my guess is 'your country' is a nice little wealthy hamlet in the south east not a poor northern city -and you too missed all the millions of people out protesting during lockdowns ? ... and no illegal raves where you live then -how nice

MOnica I thought exactly the same -extreme leftie like you are wasted in a democratic country when you too would serve well in China

jeaniebquick

I was probably the only one in my road who wasn't flouting lock down- but really Growstuff how did you not see the 1000's of folk out marching mixing and protesting and raving on a daily basis in our country during lockdown?

Not sure what country you're in, jeaniebequick, but it wasn't happening in my country.

And while the covid virus might have originated in China, Johnson's appalling handling of it in the UK contributed to thousands more deaths than needful. And still is, because it hasn't gone away and it is still killing people.

funny how you can say on this site that Boris is responsible for all the Covid deaths but you cannot say 'Actually China was' -obviously a very politically correct site

I was probably the only one in my road who wasn't flouting lock down- but really Growstuff how did you not see the 1000's of folk out marching mixing and protesting and raving on a daily basis in our country during lockdown?

Covid isn't to blame for our PM being a self serving, selfish oaf.
I agree, but it’s not the same issue.

The parties and meetings after work were against the rules, whoever did it. They should have followed the rules, no question about that.

People didn't visit their loved ones because they thought that was the right thing to do.

No they didn’t. They didn’t visit because they weren’t allowed or at least, we weren’t where I live.

Would BJ have been blamed if people had died after being allowed in to say goodbye?

Of course he would, just as he was blamed for people going from hospital to care homes.

sharon103

Quoting Varian ....."while families couldn't even say goodbye to their loved ones"

As devastating, heartbreaking as it was for families not to be able to say goodbye, if Boris had allowed you to go into a hospital to say farewell to a loved one, caught covid and died, who would your family have blamed?
They would have blamed Boris for letting you in.
It was a no win situation either way for him.
Covid was to blame.

I think this is completely reversing the real situation.

People didn't visit their loved ones because they thought that was the right thing to do. Johnson and his coterie had parties and get-togethers because they didn't care what the right thing to do was. They wanted to do their own thing.

So if we didn't get to see people, they shouldn't have either. We don't want what they had, we wanted them to follow the rules just like the rest of us did. The rules that were meant to save peoples lives.

Covid isn't to blame for our PM being a self serving, selfish oaf.

sharon103
As devastating, heartbreaking as it was for families not to be able to say goodbye, if Boris had allowed you to go into a hospital to say farewell to a loved one, caught covid and died, who would your family have blamed?
They would have blamed Boris for letting you in.
It was a no win situation either way for him. Covid was to blame.

If we’re thinking rationally, that’s true.

At the time, I wasn’t thinking rationally. Actually, if I’d been allowed in to say my goodbyes, had caught Covid, but not realising I had caught it and until I was ill, still been working in school with vulnerable children, who had passed it on to their families, with possible fatal results, BJ would certainly have been blamed, after they’d finished blaming me for going into say goodbye.

sharon103

Quoting Varian ....."while families couldn't even say goodbye to their loved ones"

As devastating, heartbreaking as it was for families not to be able to say goodbye, if Boris had allowed you to go into a hospital to say farewell to a loved one, caught covid and died, who would your family have blamed?
They would have blamed Boris for letting you in.
It was a no win situation either way for him.
Covid was to blame.

It wasn't just being unable to be with dying relatives; people gave up everything. Social life, hobby groups (which covers an enormous range of activities), family get togethers, holidays, anything that involved meeting friends and family, funerals, weddings, leaving do's, birthday parties....

And all the time the people in No.10 were having their Wine Fridays (starting at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, FGS), and any sort of celebration going. Their bosses' excuse seems to be that they were special because they were working so hard and b*gger all the NHS workers who were working their socks off, in full PPE when it was obtainable, for hours at a time.... They just got a clap and a metaphorical pat on the back.

Johnson wrote the bloody rules, he exhorted us daily to observe them and then went off to share illegal 'gatherings' . Whining that he didn't know they were illegal doesn't cut it...

Saying that covid was to blame doesn't cut it, either. A leader should lead, not take the p*ss.

Quoting Varian ....."while families couldn't even say goodbye to their loved ones"

As devastating, heartbreaking as it was for families not to be able to say goodbye, if Boris had allowed you to go into a hospital to say farewell to a loved one, caught covid and died, who would your family have blamed?
They would have blamed Boris for letting you in.
It was a no win situation either way for him.
Covid was to blame.

Glorianny

Do you know I started this thread thinking Starmer was a bit of a nonentity. I don't like the way he's targeted the left of the party and failed to unify it. But after reading the comments on here, where he seems to be held responsible for everything I'm actually feeling much kinder towards him. It seems Johnston can do as much wrong as he likes but Starmer is held responsible for anything.

Democracy is the best we have. A minor problem is people who accept any lies from Johnson whilst peddling mistruths and lies about Starmer
Thanks Glorianny

I don’t think a windfall tax is a good idea. It would have been much better if the utility companies, aware of their £xx billions of profits had done a great PR job and come up with something themselves to help their customers.

Secondly his whole time in the commons is usually spent having a go at what Johnson is or has done wrong. That's fine but he doesn't say what Labour would do, what their main polices are, how they would change things etc.

Have you, sazzl, and all the other people who have complained about Starmer 'not saying what he would do' ever tried finding out what Labour want to do? MSM don't report it, of course, but a bit of googling wouldn't come amiss.

At the very least I'll remind you that Labour have been calling for a windfall tax for WEEKS and the government has been saying no to it.

Of course he criticises the government. That's his job. He is Leader of the Opposition. Do you know what 'opposition' means?

I'll ignore the Jimmy Savile crap. That's been done to death on here and what you are alleging just is not true.

sazzl Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations.

Labour’s job is to oppose the government when they feel it’s doing things wrong; it’s pretty much the entire job title: they are the Opposition.

And, in fact, their policies are on their website. Two of them are being implemented by Sunak at 11.30 today, which is nice.

Glorianny

Do you know I started this thread thinking Starmer was a bit of a nonentity. I don't like the way he's targeted the left of the party and failed to unify it. But after reading the comments on here, where he seems to be held responsible for everything I'm actually feeling much kinder towards him. It seems Johnston can do as much wrong as he likes but Starmer is held responsible for anything.

It’s a classic deflection technique by the cornered Glorianny, in the face of clear evidence that your esteemed leader is a liar (I could go on) the only defence is to make up scurrilous rumours about his opposition counterpart in the vain hope that will take attention away from the actual culprit. Needless to say it won’t work with the majority of the electorate, who have now seen right through Boris.

Do you know I started this thread thinking Starmer was a bit of a nonentity. I don't like the way he's targeted the left of the party and failed to unify it. But after reading the comments on here, where he seems to be held responsible for everything I'm actually feeling much kinder towards him. It seems Johnston can do as much wrong as he likes but Starmer is held responsible for anything.