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Why is Johnson more popular than Starmer?

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Glorianny Fri 20-May-22 12:02:34

It's a simple question and you could answer it purely on political lines but I think there is more to it than that. I think somehow Johnson appeals to those who like bad boys and the slight amorality which is present in so many lives now, whereas Starmer always comes across as the typical lawyer, and no one trusts a lawyer. Any other ideas?

Paperbackwriter Wed 25-May-22 16:44:08

Baggs

^Just because he went to Eton is no sign of intelligence^

This reminds me of what my dad used to say: that Eton and schools like it are comprehensive schools as far as entrance is concerned. No intelligence test, just can you pay the fees?

He used to say this while fighting to get our local state schools, which were still grammar and secondary mod back then, to change into comps.

Do you need to be intelligent to be manipulative?

It's not true that merely being able to pay the fees will get you into Eton. You need a high Common Entrance score. Or of course to be a member of the royal family.

I don't like to see grown men being referred to as 'bad boys'. They are not boys and to call them such feels indulgent and cutesy. Johnson is appalling. Starmer is unfortunately rather dull. I'd like to see Angela Rayner or Jess Phillips leading the Labour party instead.

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 16:43:19

Nannashirlz

Stammer has also provided to be a liar he has on different occasions said how many ppl were with him having a takeaway and beer and they is something about him I can’t put my finger on he’s sly he comes across slimy and don’t get me started on rayner she tried to play victim about a joke she made few months previously I smell a rat with them both. Boris as scum media after his blood he could pass out pink unicorns ? and they would still find something about him.

Do you have any other examples of Starmer's being a liar anywhere close to Johnson's standard of lying?

Why do you smell a rat? And what does Rayner have to do with Starmer's personality?

volver Wed 25-May-22 16:37:15

MaizieD

^Why wasn't Starmer a good DPP?^

Oooooh, careful, growstuff.

I bet I can predict what the answer to your question will be (if it is answered...)

And we know what happened last time... wink

Neilspurgeon0 Wed 25-May-22 16:37:03

Colourful populists are always ‘in demand’ and charisma is very hard to actually define, but we all know it, if it chimes with ‘our’ ideas, when we see it. Being a clown on the telly alongside Merton and Hiscock certainly didn’t harm Boris’ popularity.

Starmer on the other hand is everyone’s idea of ‘straight laced’ Jim, the perfect gent but no fun

MayBee70 Wed 25-May-22 16:37:02

People should listen to Keir Starmers Desert Island Discs. Much as I respected him it was only after listening to it that I really warmed to him. He doesn’t want to be PM ( like Johnson) because of the prestige it will bring him. He genuinely wants to make this country a better place for everyone, not just the rich.

Rameses Wed 25-May-22 16:35:08

It really worries me when people say "I wouldn't vote for any of them". That is actually worse that voting for the current crop of Tories (the majority of whom are NOT traditional Conservatives, despite stealing the name).

Why is it worse? Because it creates a vacuum which any policians with a malevolent agenda can move into.

Things in this country now are bad enough as it is, without voters giving up and going AWOL.

MaizieD Wed 25-May-22 16:27:45

Why wasn't Starmer a good DPP?

Oooooh, careful, growstuff.

I bet I can predict what the answer to your question will be (if it is answered...)

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 16:23:02

sandelf

It's not really about 'popular' is it? Really which do you find less distasteful. BJ is no more a 'Tory' than Theresa was - they chose the party with the best chance. ATM labour is still unelectable stained by Corbyn. Starmer knows he'll never be PM - his is Kinnocks role - if he can manage it. Doubt it. He was not a good DPP. BJ will go when the pack have found another leader.

Why wasn't Starmer a good DPP?

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 16:21:17

Jzpap

Personally I loathe Johnson, always have done ever since his pre Mayor of London days and before. I don’t understand why people like him. He’s a liar, a charlatan, a buffoon, inept, stupid, dishonest and has very dubious morals.
Initially I thought Starmer was our saviour but this doesn’t seem to be the case, he doesn’t have the personality to be a PM.
I long for the days of John Major & Tony Blair who seemed more moderate in their approach.

I find this a bit baffling. I think Starmer has quite a bit in common with Major, who was IMO underrated. In my opinion, Starmer has exactly the personality for the PM needs at the moment.

MaizieD Wed 25-May-22 16:20:15

Secretsquirrel1

If I were having a dinner party and could have either BJ or KS, I’d definitely invite Boris. Say what you will about his politics but he’s got so much charisma and I bet he’d be hilarious.

You might not find it quite as enjoyable as you think it might be. Unless you're the right class, of course...

This has been floating around social media for quite a while now:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2021/02/working-class-boy-balliol-bar-and-encounter-young-boris-johnson

I was reminded of this the other day when I saw a post from someone I do not know in real life, who quoted a 400-word post from someone else I know even less, a man called Damian Furniss, a writer and health and social care worker based in Devon. It described his time at Oxford, where, he writes, he encountered David Cameron and Boris Johnson. He confesses to quite liking Cameron, whom he describes as a laid-back slacker into cheroots and prog rock, and with the memorable line: “Even when I sabotaged his college beagle pack he took it in good humour.” (When someone sabotages my beagle pack, I hold the grudge for decades.)

But when he gets to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson the tone changes. He met Johnson, he writes, in the Balliol College bar on the eve of his interview. Johnson – halfway through his college “career” and three years older than the writer – was with a group of cronies. Bear in mind that Furniss was a working-class rural boy with a stammer. He imagined that Johnson would act as a kind of ambassador for the college. Instead, he alleges, Johnson’s “piss-taking was brutal. In the course of the pint I felt obliged to finish he mocked my speech impediment, my accent, my school, my dress sense, my haircut, my background, my father’s work as farm worker and garage proprietor, and my prospects in the scholarship interview I was there for.”

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 16:18:13

volver

Secretsquirrel1

If I were having a dinner party and could have either BJ or KS, I’d definitely invite Boris. Say what you will about his politics but he’s got so much charisma and I bet he’d be hilarious.

I wouldn't let Johnson in the house.

He wouldn't get through my front door either.

growstuff Wed 25-May-22 16:17:50

Kupari45

I think Johnson comes across as the most popular of the two leaders- for one reason!.
We have no idea what Starmer believes in!. I would like to know what the Leader of the Labour Party would do if they were voted in at the next general election, but all we hear is Starmer disagreeing with the current problems of the day. He never has any ideas about how to solve any of our problems in the country- he just stands there and tells us that everything the Tories say is wrong. Consequently I dont think he is popular , as no one knows what he believes in, I cant imagine him as a future Prime Minister.

But according to YouGov, Starmer is more popular than Johnson, so that theory doesn't work.

volver Wed 25-May-22 16:03:27

Secretsquirrel1

If I were having a dinner party and could have either BJ or KS, I’d definitely invite Boris. Say what you will about his politics but he’s got so much charisma and I bet he’d be hilarious.

I wouldn't let Johnson in the house.

TopCat12 Wed 25-May-22 16:03:22

Well done OakDryad you've got it in one, I've been saying that to my partner for a long time, he frowns, possibly because he's looking at a mirror image, and can't get to the grips with the idea.

volver Wed 25-May-22 16:02:54

Kupari45

I think Johnson comes across as the most popular of the two leaders- for one reason!.
We have no idea what Starmer believes in!. I would like to know what the Leader of the Labour Party would do if they were voted in at the next general election, but all we hear is Starmer disagreeing with the current problems of the day. He never has any ideas about how to solve any of our problems in the country- he just stands there and tells us that everything the Tories say is wrong. Consequently I dont think he is popular , as no one knows what he believes in, I cant imagine him as a future Prime Minister.

I said this before but its worth saying again.

The job of the opposition is to oppose. Which means explaining how what the Tories are doing is wrong.

Come the GE, I would expect him to tell us what his party will do.

You're telling us you don't like him because he is doing the job he is supposed to do.

How far we have fallen.

Secretsquirrel1 Wed 25-May-22 16:01:30

If I were having a dinner party and could have either BJ or KS, I’d definitely invite Boris. Say what you will about his politics but he’s got so much charisma and I bet he’d be hilarious.

Kupari45 Wed 25-May-22 15:59:10

I think Johnson comes across as the most popular of the two leaders- for one reason!.
We have no idea what Starmer believes in!. I would like to know what the Leader of the Labour Party would do if they were voted in at the next general election, but all we hear is Starmer disagreeing with the current problems of the day. He never has any ideas about how to solve any of our problems in the country- he just stands there and tells us that everything the Tories say is wrong. Consequently I dont think he is popular , as no one knows what he believes in, I cant imagine him as a future Prime Minister.

sharon103 Wed 25-May-22 15:46:53

sharonarnott

I just don't like Starmer! He comes across as very sly to me, there's something there that I just can't put my finger on. He is also as dull as dishwater.

I agree.
He gets on my nerves. grin
I'm yet to hear how he would do better.

betts Wed 25-May-22 15:39:45

Hair style?

Corkie91 Wed 25-May-22 15:37:25

No way can he be more popular Boris is a liar you cannot trust anything he says

Jzpap Wed 25-May-22 15:30:03

Personally I loathe Johnson, always have done ever since his pre Mayor of London days and before. I don’t understand why people like him. He’s a liar, a charlatan, a buffoon, inept, stupid, dishonest and has very dubious morals.
Initially I thought Starmer was our saviour but this doesn’t seem to be the case, he doesn’t have the personality to be a PM.
I long for the days of John Major & Tony Blair who seemed more moderate in their approach.

Grantanow Wed 25-May-22 15:24:56

Starmer may lack personality but he's likely to be a far better PM than Johnson who simply does not care about anything except his own skin.

sandelf Wed 25-May-22 15:19:31

It's not really about 'popular' is it? Really which do you find less distasteful. BJ is no more a 'Tory' than Theresa was - they chose the party with the best chance. ATM labour is still unelectable stained by Corbyn. Starmer knows he'll never be PM - his is Kinnocks role - if he can manage it. Doubt it. He was not a good DPP. BJ will go when the pack have found another leader.

Lostmyglassesxx Wed 25-May-22 15:16:21

He isn’t - not in my book anyway - and they are two opposing parties so you are not going to be politically persuaded by someone’s like ability in theory !
I do think you cannot avoid personalities sadly - especially when you have two such contrasting ones nd one of them is such a narcissistic lying oaf .. !

Merrymary Wed 25-May-22 14:52:28

I don't support either the tories or Labour but I dislike Johnson immensely and can't for the life of me understand why people would vote for him. I think Starmer is a far more able and trustworthy person. However, I wouldn't vote for any of them.