Thomas Markle rushed to hospital after a suspected stroke.

volver

And all this is to do with Mr Markle's stroke how...?

Exactly what I was wondering. It must be very difficult for him and I hope he has someone to take care of him.

“OMG not the old chestnut "I can't be racist cos my best friend is black"!!”

I hate that one too Glorianny! Along with ‘I’m black so I can’t be racist’ and proceeding to tell everyone in the group how the Jews are taking over the world! Happened in my local last night!

And all this is to do with Mr Markle's stroke how...?

Isn't Charles the one that is reputed ...... no idea GagaJo but of course if you make the accusation but wont name the one(s) responsible, the number of people it could have been, if it happened at all is pretty extensive isn't.

They claimed it was racism behind Archie not being given a title, which is totally false. Perhaps as with this, they assumed that something(s) were racist when they weren't, and hadn't intended to be.

We simply don't know because we weren't there but what we do know is that they lie.

M wanted to keep her visit to Ulvalde private and yet, there was a photographer there. What are the odds of that just happening to be the case; a mere coincidence? Her body guard was there, why didn't he stop the photo's being taken bearing in mind she wanted to keep the visit private?

It's BS. Appalling to have to be 'seen' doing something for publicity particularly when the incident saw the murder of children and two of their teachers who were trying to protect them.

Callistemon21

Glorianny

I think some people fail to understand that politeness is something the British are trained to do but it may mask underlying racism. People will shake hands, smile politely and make conversation but that doesn't mean they see the person they are speaking to as their equal. The RF are experts at it.

This looks like more than a polite smile, it looks like genuine friendship.
Apparently, Nelson Mandela was one of the very few people who called her Elizabeth.

When Lilibet met Michelle:

I think most people of whatever race, colour, creed, would receive a polite smile, perhaps a handshake but some people develop a rapport.

OMG not the old chestnut "I can't be racist cos my best friend is black"!!
One swallow doesn't make a summer you know.

lemsip

Blossoming You say ... *I do wonder what the purpose of this thread is,....

do you wonder what the purpose of every thread is? rather a silly comment!

No, only the silly ones.

Sorry, 2nd picture:

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202205/medium-94590-the-queen-and-nelson-mandela-937173.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202205/medium-266859-the-queen-and-nelson-mandela-937173.jpg

Glorianny

I think some people fail to understand that politeness is something the British are trained to do but it may mask underlying racism. People will shake hands, smile politely and make conversation but that doesn't mean they see the person they are speaking to as their equal. The RF are experts at it.

This looks like more than a polite smile, it looks like genuine friendship.
Apparently, Nelson Mandela was one of the very few people who called her Elizabeth.

When Lilibet met Michelle:

I think most people of whatever race, colour, creed, would receive a polite smile, perhaps a handshake but some people develop a rapport.

Glorianny

I think some people fail to understand that politeness is something the British are trained to do but it may mask underlying racism. People will shake hands, smile politely and make conversation but that doesn't mean they see the person they are speaking to as their equal. The RF are experts at it.

Exactly Glorianny. Easily done if you're English.

White is the colour of peace. There is a difference between a Peace Rose which is a specific sort of rose, and white "peace" roses which are a symbol of peace.
But it's MM so she's sure to be wrong isn't she? Perhaps as the mother of young children she just wanted to show how she felt.

MawtheMerrier

Oops - pinky edges , creamy yellow middle, not the other way round.
Not white anyway!

Blue blood?

I think some people fail to understand that politeness is something the British are trained to do but it may mask underlying racism. People will shake hands, smile politely and make conversation but that doesn't mean they see the person they are speaking to as their equal. The RF are experts at it.

Oops - pinky edges , creamy yellow middle, not the other way round.
Not white anyway!

VioletSky and I usually disagree on most things. However, I have to say, I 100% agree with her post at 23.35.

MM will certainly have experienced some colour racism and also some anti-American snobbery in the RF. Much of it will have been very discreet but it will have been there. God forbid I should mention that awful woman, Princess Michael of Kent, but she is the most obvious manifestation of those sorts of attitudes.

However, I don't think the Queen will have been one of the people indulging in that nastiness. I am a republican but I think the Queen has always taken her role exceptionally seriously. In addition, I think she values the commonwealth so much, so doesn't have those entrenched bigotries. Phillip did and will have passed some of that to his children. Not to mention, the court circles, including the staff. Racism isn't just an individual thing, it is institutional and a seam of it runs through most British institutions.

Isn't Charles the one that is reputed to have wondered about the colour of Archie before he was born? QE should have had an exceptionally strong word with him. She is, after all, the boss.

lemsip

Meghan cannot go to see her father she very busy in Texas laying flowers ..
...................... ........
Meghan lays bouquet of white 'peace' roses at memorial to 21 victims of primary school shooting and gives food to blood donation centre workers during 'private' whistle-stop visit to Texas town of Uvalde 'that she wanted to keep secret'

I always thought the Peace Rose was creamy yellow with a pinky red middle.
My mum was very proud of hers.

Is the Queen an abusive family member Violet Sky ?

Was Megan trying to communicate on Oprah interview?

Do you believe they did get married in a garden, no witnesses and the Arch Bishop carried out the ceremony?

Do you believe she cried without layers of eye makeup smudging ?

You cannot account for something that didn't happen and the best thing to do with a lie is to dismiss it.

It certainly appears to have back fired big time merlotgran and rightly so.

How crass to stage a photo opportunity at the scene of such a shocking and tragic event.

Blossoming You say ... *I do wonder what the purpose of this thread is,....

do you wonder what the purpose of every thread is? rather a silly comment!

lemsip

Meghan cannot go to see her father she very busy in Texas laying flowers ..
...................... ........
Meghan lays bouquet of white 'peace' roses at memorial to 21 victims of primary school shooting and gives food to blood donation centre workers during 'private' whistle-stop visit to Texas town of Uvalde 'that she wanted to keep secret'

In one of the photos online you can see the photographer behind her, presumably Netflix.

Meghan cannot go to see her father she very busy in Texas laying flowers ..
...................... ........
Meghan lays bouquet of white 'peace' roses at memorial to 21 victims of primary school shooting and gives food to blood donation centre workers during 'private' whistle-stop visit to Texas town of Uvalde 'that she wanted to keep secret'

Most women experience some form of discrimination, like all discrimination, its not always visible but underneath the surface.

I did mention minority groups which doesn't just cover racism, although that is the allegation in this case.

Racism is very much in existence in the UK and it makes me glad to hear someone has been able to avoid it. That is not everyones experience though sadly so I'm not sure it says much as a statement.

For all we know the meaning could be exactly as Summerlove said, although I would argue that would still make the Queen an enabler.

I do not need to imagine what it is like to have an abusive family member say somdthing along the lines of "recollections may vary" when trying to communicate hurt to them. That very dismissal and innability to be accountable for past behaviours or change future behaviour is why we are estranged.

I agree Spore that it was a very tactful and polite way of saying they'd told lies, which of course they had. They had recollections of things that never happened for example getting married 3 days before the widely televised wedding ceremony.

Sounds like you enjoyed those charity events at Buckingham Palace .

VioletSky, are you an ethnic minority? I’m Asian and I can honestly say that I have not experience any serious form of discrimination in any aspect of my life since I live here in the UK for the last 34 years.

On the other hand, I have experience racial discrimination in my country of origin by my Asian boss. It was not nice but I was young then.

I have accompanied my husband to three charity events at Buckingham Palace and St James Palace, no one treated me differently, everyone was polite and lovely, as you say, British at its best.

I think the Queen was being very tactful and polite when she said recollections may vary since Meghan and Harry has this habit of telling white lies.

Allsorts

I bet they can’t wait to get that balcony. Recollections may vary, a wonderful understatement of someone telling porkies.

They won’t be on the balcony. Current working members of the Royal Family only will be there.