Thomas Markle rushed to hospital after a suspected stroke.

I agree Glorianny.

I'm interested in your comment about security surrounding the issue of starting school Glorianny. I happen to know that once the Royal children are in the school, total privacy is afforded them. This applies to any child in school. Why would M & H be worried about Archie's protection in school, unless you mean getting him to and from the school gate? Even then, W & K have been sensible to allow first day at school photos, but no more thereafter.

Joseanne

I'm interested in your comment about security surrounding the issue of starting school Glorianny. I happen to know that once the Royal children are in the school, total privacy is afforded them. This applies to any child in school. Why would M & H be worried about Archie's protection in school, unless you mean getting him to and from the school gate? Even then, W & K have been sensible to allow first day at school photos, but no more thereafter.

Well this is what was planned for PG starting school and he has his own security team. metro.co.uk/2017/09/06/getting-prince-george-to-school-every-day-will-be-a-security-and-logistical-nightmare-6906702/
Seeing these measures just as your own child was born then hearing your son wouldn't get the same protection would have made anyone worry.
There have been alleged security threats in the shape of a woman stalker and a bomb threat.

Thank you.
Ah, so the journey and travel logistics depending on traffic. I suspect this is done for any royal journey in London and beyond. The responsibility and duty of care of the school is an entirely separate issue and Archie would be as safe as any child therein.

I don't think I mentioned in-school security anywhere Joseanne however it would be foolish to imagine that PGs security team don't check the buildings and monitor visitors regularly.

I read "starting school" as meaning the whole package.
Not splitting hairs, just very up with the internal school precautions in place and interested.

M&H might have worried about what would happen to Archie and if he would get the protection they thought he needed. Sensibly they chose to move away and give their children some privacy

Ha! They moved to a much more dangerous country where children are massacred in schools with talk of now arming teachers to fight back!

Why would Archie be in more danger at school than any of the Queen’s grandchildren

Because of the hatred his parents stir up, I'd imagine.

You have a point there Sparklefizz, without wishing to get into the gun laws debate on the school shooting thread. Schoolchildren in America are statistically in far more danger of such an atrocious happening.
No child is ever 100% safe in any school because there are 100 plus variables and no one actually knows how anyone, even school professionals, will react when faced with an attack. I have listened to expert after expert on this, and they all say there is a risk at any time, any place.
Have H & M had this fully explained to them,? Are they being over protective? Are they being unrealistic? There is always the choice of home schooling but that would be a backwards step, especially in Harry's eyes. I don't have the answer but they need to find a solution to their concerns and then accept the situation.

MissAdventure

Because of the hatred his parents stir up, I'd imagine.

Maybe. But would that really cross someone's mind to target their child? Threats maybe, but surely not .....

But some of the Queen's grandchildren received protection in their school years Anniebach Even Beatrice and Eugenie in spite of the breakdown of their parents marriage and the minimal role played by Andrew were protected throughout their university years.
But actually I think you mean great grandchildren. And perhaps it should have been given on the role that was being expected of M&H. and H's position to the throne. They did tours when Archie was a baby and he went with them, presumably the same would be expected when he was school age and he would be left unprotected

Would you want to risk it if it was your child?

Sparklefizz

^M&H might have worried about what would happen to Archie and if he would get the protection they thought he needed. Sensibly they chose to move away and give their children some privacy^

Ha! They moved to a much more dangerous country where children are massacred in schools with talk of now arming teachers to fight back!

A country where they have managed to keep both their children out of the media and un-photographed apart from a few pictures they chose to release.
Guns may kill children but there are other forms of damage and they now pay for their protection (Of course the RF could have offered that to them here but chose not to)

It is not a moot point Maddie because you made an opinion and accused Megan of being liar based on something that never happened. The name was announced on Instagram and they never stated they refused a title. Is it a good chance that the media said it? Yes. But so far, as I have shown, they themselves never did. Quite a few number of people have opinions about someone they do not know based on a racist, xenophobic media and are accusing Megan of being a liar when I have yet to see evidence thay she is.

Also, you may want to be careful what you wish for. The Secret Service provides 24/7 security to the resident of 1600 Pennsylvania including children, plus the residents and Number One Observatory Circle, including any children.

We also pay for all 535 members of Congress get security via the Capital Police. www.house.gov/the-house-explained/legislative-branch-partners/u-s-capitol-police.

Makes something like paying for little Archie to have security seem cheap now doesn't it

Also, for what it's worth, we pay $602.5 million a year, which has been requested to increase to $708 million for 2023, for security for Congress.

appropriations.house.gov/news/statements/chairman-ryan-statement-at-the-fiscal-year-2023-budget-request-for-the-united-states#:~:text=Currently%2C%20resources%20for%20the%20Capitol,Branch%20budget%20totaling%20%24602.5%20million.

The Secret Service also provides security for a few more people, as seen here: www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general

The Secret Service is authorized a $3B (yes billion with a B) budget for 2022.

www.usaspending.gov/federal_account/070-0400

And, it would seem, that members of congress can afford their own security details right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth

I went and searched for the cost to provide security for the Royal Family. Could not find anything other than a media report that the Royal Family does not disclose what it cost but it is estimated that it is around 100 million pounds a year.

They seem like a bargain.

That's interesting imaroundI knew former presidents were protected but didn't know their children were until they are 16.
Of course you do get to choose most of those people. The RF just get it as a birthright.

The system is set up for us to chose, yes. But we have the DNC and RNC who have their hands in the pot. It is a slight of hand trick mostly.

Take Hillary and Bernie for example.

Beatrice and Eugenie are grandchildren of the Queen, Archie is
grandson of the next King.

Harry has played this card so often, he said in an interview his
mother was murdered because she was with a man who was not white, seems he forgot she was with Hasnet Khan for two
years. Harry was protected in Afghanistan by Gurkhas.

Archie will be offered a title when his grandfather is king, it will
be his parents choice to take it. Sophie and Edward chose to
wait for their daughter to reach 18 and decide for herself.

If Harry and Megan had done as the rest of the family did re
the press they wouldn’t have come under so much criticism .

Baby due, couple leave hospital after the birth, smile for the
cameras, acknowledge the waiting crowd , home.
Not those two, Harry made an announcement that there would be no announcement, then made an announcement and the press were summoned to Windsor to see the couple with the
baby. He tried to play the press but should have done what the
rest of his family did. He is so dramatic.

None of that is a big deal, in my opinion, but they are reviled by some, as is seen on these threads.

I presume there are other people with far more extreme views than those expressed here.

imaround

It is not a moot point Maddie because you made an opinion and accused Megan of being liar based on something that never happened. The name was announced on Instagram and they never stated they refused a title. Is it a good chance that the media said it? Yes. But so far, as I have shown, they themselves never did. Quite a few number of people have opinions about someone they do not know based on a racist, xenophobic media and are accusing Megan of being a liar when I have yet to see evidence thay she is.

Also, you may want to be careful what you wish for. The Secret Service provides 24/7 security to the resident of 1600 Pennsylvania including children, plus the residents and Number One Observatory Circle, including any children.

We also pay for all 535 members of Congress get security via the Capital Police. www.house.gov/the-house-explained/legislative-branch-partners/u-s-capitol-police.

Makes something like paying for little Archie to have security seem cheap now doesn't it

A little overly aggressive response I think. I may be careful what I wish for. Really?

Now I realise from your post that you live in America and therefore that explains why you know so little about how royalty works in the UK. I believe that America fought a war many years ago to rid America of the British royals. Yes? Well I certainly would like my country to become a fully democratic country without an unelected Head of State.

You also miss the point again. Archie is NOT ENTITLED to have security paid for by the British public because his parents have abdicated from royal duties and chosen to live in a country where it is not the British public’s responsibility to provide security. If M+H choose to pay for their own security, that’s entirely up to them. Frankly, given the number of school shootings in America, I would have thought their children would be much safer in Britain.

MissA just to be clear, I most certainly do not revile H+M. However I have no misunderstandings about what they and other royals are entitled to in Britain. I know H+M are none working royals and therefore have no entitlement to paid for security. That’s my point, not that I dislike them. Some are arguing that we should continue to pay for security for them. I’m saying they don’t qualify for it, according to the rules, not according to my opinion.

I agree, Maddy.
I don't think the public should pay for any of them, really.
Someone asked why Archie would need security.

I was just pointing out that the level of animosity Harry and Meghan stir up could be a valid reason.
I imagine that gransnet is fairly mild prepared to the extremes some would go to.