Thomas Markle rushed to hospital after a suspected stroke.

Smileless2012

I would like to think that even those who criticise M would be pleased to know she'd been to visit her father MissA. I wouldn't want a visit from our ES because I was ill but if this is something M's father would welcome, then I would be pleased if she did.

People care about all sorts of things volver. Why do you care what others care about?

Why do you care what others care about?

I shall treat that as a proper question, not an attempt to sideline my views. Anyway.

I think that people like celebrities. They also like to be able to take the moral high ground. If there is a perception that any person has done something to upset our lovely Queen, they immediately go on the list of people who are fair game. You (plural you, not you specifically) can say anything about them, you can tell lies about them, you can claim they are bad to the core, anything. If they don't fit in with the stereotype you approve of, even better. More vitriol.

It interests me because as a democracy we have to be responsible for our choices. If people can hold a grudge and display such malice for years on end, it makes me wonder how they make important decisions about the people who really have power.

Satisfied?

songstress60

I am sick of seeing news about those 2, and think Harry has become Megan's poodle and she an utter egomaniac. She is detestable for not going to see her father. It could be the last time she sees him and she will be giving the sob stories when he dies.

Shouldn't there be an "I think" - She is detestable for not going to see her father.

Not wanting to repeat what has been said on this thread earlier, but if you are "sick of seeing news about those 2" then don't click the thread, don't engage, why enrage yourself?

I hate hate hate that there is so much hate hate hate towards someone - a woman - a mother - that the majority of the British Press have taken to publishing click-bait hate articles on. This is what is happening here - stick Markle on a thread and it's click-bait for the haters. It's really extraordinary.

MissAdventure

They aren't going on the balcony, though, and neither is Andrew.

A snub from the queen, if what I have read is true, which is as likely as anything anyone else has read.

Lots of comments on Twitter re the optics of this, Andrew who paid off a young woman in a sex scandal isn't invited onto the balcony, neither is the son of the future King(s) and his black wife.

GagaJo

VioletSky and I usually disagree on most things. However, I have to say, I 100% agree with her post at 23.35.

MM will certainly have experienced some colour racism and also some anti-American snobbery in the RF. Much of it will have been very discreet but it will have been there. God forbid I should mention that awful woman, Princess Michael of Kent, but she is the most obvious manifestation of those sorts of attitudes.

However, I don't think the Queen will have been one of the people indulging in that nastiness. I am a republican but I think the Queen has always taken her role exceptionally seriously. In addition, I think she values the commonwealth so much, so doesn't have those entrenched bigotries. Phillip did and will have passed some of that to his children. Not to mention, the court circles, including the staff. Racism isn't just an individual thing, it is institutional and a seam of it runs through most British institutions.

Isn't Charles the one that is reputed to have wondered about the colour of Archie before he was born? QE should have had an exceptionally strong word with him. She is, after all, the boss.

According to Lady Colin Campbell, it was Princess Anne who ‘ wondered’ what colour their baby’s skin would be, and it was not because she was concerned, just curious.

Of course it was a proper question volver, why would you thin otherwise and yes, that's another proper question.

you can say anything about them, you can tell lies about them, you can claim they are bad to the core, anything which is precisely what they did during the Oprah interview.

They and other members of the royal family wont appear on the balcony because they are not working royals LondonMzFitz, still your post demonstrates how something that has absolutely nothing to do with racism, can be made to appear racist.

"you can say anything about them, you can tell lies about them, you can claim they are bad to the core, anything" which is precisely what they did during the Oprah interview.

And if they jumped off a cliff would you do that too?

Smileless2012

Of course it was a proper question volver, why would you thin otherwise and yes, that's another proper question.

you can say anything about them, you can tell lies about them, you can claim they are bad to the core, anything which is precisely what they did during the Oprah interview.

They and other members of the royal family wont appear on the balcony because they are not working royals LondonMzFitz, still your post demonstrates how something that has absolutely nothing to do with racism, can be made to appear racist.

Reporting what I saw on Twitter when it was first announced. Like others on here who state what they have read as being fact. "I know what I've read about them and it's disgusting" sort of thing - as if what "they" have read is cold hard fact.

Imagine how it looks to other countries though. Andrew's behaviour is disgraceful, utterly disgraceful. Press stating that Andrew won't be on the balcony and neither will Harry or Meghan - in the same sentence - it's distasteful (my opinion).

Here's a snippet for those who think Meghan should rush to her fathers side: www.biography.com/news/meghan-markle-dad-thomas-relationship-press

The UK media are anti Harry and Meghan. But we don't know the facts, so don't judge.

BlueBelle

LOUISA she told you did she ? blimey you got a crystal ball

Rather nasty of you.

GagaJo

VioletSky and I usually disagree on most things. However, I have to say, I 100% agree with her post at 23.35.

MM will certainly have experienced some colour racism and also some anti-American snobbery in the RF. Much of it will have been very discreet but it will have been there. God forbid I should mention that awful woman, Princess Michael of Kent, but she is the most obvious manifestation of those sorts of attitudes.

However, I don't think the Queen will have been one of the people indulging in that nastiness. I am a republican but I think the Queen has always taken her role exceptionally seriously. In addition, I think she values the commonwealth so much, so doesn't have those entrenched bigotries. Phillip did and will have passed some of that to his children. Not to mention, the court circles, including the staff. Racism isn't just an individual thing, it is institutional and a seam of it runs through most British institutions.

Isn't Charles the one that is reputed to have wondered about the colour of Archie before he was born? QE should have had an exceptionally strong word with him. She is, after all, the boss.

Sorry, missed this before...

Do we disagree on most things?

It must be a very polite and friendly disagreement because I genuinly hadn't noticed and do respect your comments lol

Perhaps as the mother of young children she just wanted to show how she felt.
I sort of struggle with this concept of people thinking those bereaved need a visit in person from a celebrity. If I were a parent of a child killed in this atrocity I wouldn't seek comfort from random strangers laying flowers for my child.

A parent in that sitiation may be comforted by someone with influence showing compassion.

Without getting into US politics too much, anyone who can sway opinion on or draw attention too an issue that is leading to the deaths of minor children and perhaps help facilitate change seems a positive.

MawtheMerrier my mum had a Peace Rose too.
She planted it in our front garden in London and it was the last thing I saw leaving the house when I got married, and when she died shortly after the last thing I saw when I got into the car for her funeral. As I inherited the house it was later on the first thing I saw bringing my babies home from hospital.
We fought a lot, but loved each other to bits. Peace meant everything.

My birth father had a stroke whilst I happened to be visiting the country he lives in. I was staying with a friend, within 15 miles of the hospital he was in. She would’ve driven me there if I’d wanted her to.

I didn’t ‘rush to his bedside’, because he doesn’t deserve that.

Judge away- some parents don’t deserve their children.

VioletSky

A parent in that sitiation may be comforted by someone with influence showing compassion.

Without getting into US politics too much, anyone who can sway opinion on or draw attention too an issue that is leading to the deaths of minor children and perhaps help facilitate change seems a positive.

I'm think as a parent, a couple of days after the terrible tragedy, my brain would not be in the right to place to contemplate anything, other than devastation over the death of my child. A random influencer, or even politician or royalty paying a visit.

You're right Missingmoominmama some parents don't deserve their children.

Violet Sky what influence does Megan hold ?

That is lovely Joseanne

The sane influence as any public figure who (rightly or wrongly) influences public opinion

Smileless2012, LondonMzFitz merely pointed out the optics on Twitter. Maybe it wasn't a decision made for racist reasons but surely this must have been considered that people might of thought this would be the case. It doesn't matter whether it was Charles, Anne or another member of the RF, to ask how dark a baby might be is at best ill-considered and at worst racist.
Andrew's, Edward's and Anne's children are not the son of the future King and as far as I am concerned I think it is mean spirited to leave Harry out of the line up especially when the man and the women who caused him and his mother so much pain flaunting their relationship will stand there looking smug.
MM comes from a blended family and that can cause so many problems especially when one part of it seem determined to make as much money out of being connected her as they can. The idea that you must respect your parents even when they don't respect you is a mystery to me. However, no doubt the God fearing and supposedly tolerant will damn her no matter what she decides to do.

Not one of us is privy to what has gone on between Meghan and her father - we were not there, so all these assumptions, speculations, call them what you will, are just that. We cannot possibly know how either of them should react/behave because we are not in their shoes, experiencing what they are experiencing and we do not know the facts - how can we? It seems to me that reactions are being based upon what has been written or said in the media, and I think we all know how that can be manipulated to suit an agenda. In addition, none of us who have not experienced estrangement within our family know how we would react if faced with it.

If it wasn't considered that the decision was motivated if only in part by racism icanhandthemback then I suppose it should have been, if only because of the accusations made during the Oprah interview.

There was a lot of negative press about PA escorting his mother at the D of E's remembrance service so perhaps, and I think this is the case, not having PA or H & M on the balcony is an attempt to negate as much as possible any more negative press.

This is the Queen's Platinum Jubilee and should be all about her, so I for one hope it will be.

As I posted earlier on this thread Mapleleaf, as an estranged mother I would not want our son coming to see me because I was ill. That's me of course and not everyone would feel the same.

Anniebach

If Harry is on the balcony so should Zara, Peter, Beatrice, Eugenie, all grandchildren of the Queen and like Harry
not working royals

But he isn’t!, so no problem

I did hear from various sources that MM lived with her Dad when she was a teenager because her Mum was in prison.