54 Letters

What's stopped him making the NHS more efficient since he became PM?

PS. I wouldn't mind betting his idea of efficiency is waffly smoke and mirrors anyway. I have a feeling people might have wised up a bit.

I had heard that Farzenah, but not in much detail. I will certainly listen out for it today - and hope

He won’t necessarily have a year DaisyAnne. There are hints that the rules may change around this if the Tories lose seats at the by-elections.

Farzanah

Great Orwell quote.
I think in all probability he will survive the vote but be mortally wounded, limping on until the by-elections in a couple of weeks.
If seats are lost then MPs will panic (for their own survival) and change the rules around another vote.
He’s doomed whatever.

I would agree Farzanah. It would be stunning if he were voted-out today.

The problem is that he will then have a year when they cannot vote against him. Most PMs were persuaded to go in the past. I cannot see Johnson doing that unless someone makes him a much better offer.

I wonder if it will come down to a vote of no confidence in the government and a GE. That would mean Conservatives voting against their party. However, if the byelections are bad enough and more news of, say fraud, or some such, leaked out, who knows?

DaisyAnne

Casdon

I think more might vote against him than expected, however much pressure the whips put on. Their names will no doubt be published, they know how their constituents feel about the PM, and I’d imagine many of them will think it could cost them their seat at the next election if they support him. Interesting day ahead.

Casdon, I don't believe (although I don't know) that the whips are involved. This is a Conservative party vote, not a parliamentary one. It is also secret so people might be persuaded but not coerced. I under Johnson was offering jobs over the weekend, however.

You’re right DaisyAnne, but I don’t think anything will stop the lobbying, desperate times and all that. Not a happy day to be a Tory MP with a conscience, I just hope many of them have one, and listen to it.

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Just when you think things can only get better - Liz Truss for PM anyone?

Casdon

I think more might vote against him than expected, however much pressure the whips put on. Their names will no doubt be published, they know how their constituents feel about the PM, and I’d imagine many of them will think it could cost them their seat at the next election if they support him. Interesting day ahead.

Casdon, I don't believe (although I don't know) that the whips are involved. This is a Conservative party vote, not a parliamentary one. It is also secret so people might be persuaded but not coerced. I under Johnson was offering jobs over the weekend, however.

Great Orwell quote.
I think in all probability he will survive the vote but be mortally wounded, limping on until the by-elections in a couple of weeks.
If seats are lost then MPs will panic (for their own survival) and change the rules around another vote.
He’s doomed whatever.

That is interesting. Is the ballot secret?

Whitewavemark2

Johnson must have the cabinet vote as none of them would ever get a job in another government surely?

I thought I put this on further up, but perhaps not. While the 22 committee will know who sent in the letters (so a leak possible) no one will know how other vote. This is a secret ballot. That means it is more dangerous to Johnson,

I notice they are having it before the MPs really have time to discuss it with one another.

I think more might vote against him than expected, however much pressure the whips put on. Their names will no doubt be published, they know how their constituents feel about the PM, and I’d imagine many of them will think it could cost them their seat at the next election if they support him. Interesting day ahead.

OldnProud wrote:

"What's really quite worrying is that, according to that document, 25% of Conservative voters still think that Johnson is 'trustworthy'. In all seriousness, I honestly don't know how anyone, however strongly they support the Conservative party, can genuinely believe that."

George Orwell wrote:

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Looking on the bright side if they don’t boot him out now come the next General Election the Conservative Party will not be in government again for a very, very long time.

Whitewavemark2

Document circulating amongst Tory MPs

What's really quite worrying is that, according to that document, 25% of Conservative voters still think that Johnson is 'trustworthy'.

In all seriousness, I honestly don't know how anyone, however strongly they support the Conservative party, can genuinely believe that.

Is there anything whatsoever he could do that would make that 25% see him for what he is, or could he quite literally do no wrong in their eyes?

He's promising to "make the NHS more efficient" and extend the "right to buy" to all Housing Association tenants.?

He was still flogging 40 hospitals. Johnson is now chortling about health week which will be as useless as crime week which took place recently.

Anyone notice ?

No I thought not.

Johnson must have the cabinet vote as none of them would ever get a job in another government surely?

Can we have a vote of no confidence in Savid Javid as well I ve just watched him lie his way through an interview with Suzanne Reid He lied and lied completely, with his eyes wide open staring into the camera with such an innocent look on his face

I think if there was an obvious alternative, his position would be very precarious.

Just think - no more Johnson!

A huge sigh of relief would go up just as it did when Trump lost the election.

Deadman walking..

Ballot today? They're moving fast.

If anyone gets the chance to see Jesse Norman's letter to the PM, do read it. It sets out very clearly what many of us have been saying for the past 2 years.

In fact, here it is:

mobile.twitter.com/Jesse_Norman/status/1533699235417403393

Also, comments on the 'briefing paper'that Wwmk2 posted earlier. Not word of concern about the harm Johnson's government is doing to the country; just fears of losing their seats. Good old tory self interest rules supreme ?

I think they waited till after the Jubbly weekend to announce it.

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Sums it up in one letter

Blimey, the Tories do get a move on - vote tonight!