54 Letters

Brady has announced the vote

Some wag added

“Chapter 1” ??

It's ironic really. Johnson has spent a life time lying and deceiving to get what he needs. And the thing that might bring him down is something that brought him no particular benefit whatsoever. What a fool.

Looks as if he will win, but will undoubtedly be much weakened.

We will have all the usual nonsense about drawing a line under the past and reorganisation etc, but zero will happen. Johnson hasn’t the ability to change.

Good news for Labour

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Document circulating amongst Tory MPs

Breaking news that Graham Brady is due to make an announcement this morning, to say the letters threshold has been met, and a vote of confidence will be called.

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/jun/06/boris-johnson-confidence-vote-graham-brady-tory-mps-live

Johnson is going to "fight back" this week, with a plan to sort out "NHS inefficiency" and push forward the Right To Buy for more people.

"The review will look at ways of replicating good leadership across the NHS, and ensuring that the best leaders are attracted to the health service.

The Government will also expand on its plans to extend the right to buy, one of Margaret Thatcher’s flagship policies.

Mr Johnson wants to make it easier for people who live in housing association properties to buy their own homes. A No 10 source said: ‘This week the Prime Minister will be focusing on important issues"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10887297/Boris-set-launch-rearguard-action-amid-fears-confidence-vote-triggered-tomorrow.html

Should be an interesting couple of weeks.

Daniel Hannan has recently said that we would have saved ourselves a lot of "trouble" if we had remained in the single market. However, he added that "t rejoining it now would be madness".

Even Farage talk about a Norway option at one stage so I imagine the word "Norway" may be heard quite a bit now the Tory MPs have found out what not reading agreements does to the country.

Obviously, some of GN's extreme Brexiteers and the ERG will not go for this and who knows what Johnson is thinking. It could, of course, be how they will define his replacement - someone who will take us into the single market.

Whitewavemark2

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“Grant Schapps this weekend is the first senior Minister to use a new line that is being trialed,

'I didn't vote for Brexit but the country did'.

We can expect to hear this a lot as the government transitions to a rejoin single market and CU position.”

This may be a reaction to Tobias Ellwood suggesting, last week, that the UK had been "strangled by red tape" and it was time to join the EEC in a Norway style relationship.

Schapps is showing a real lack of leadership by saying this. Presumably he doesn't want the top job.

Pyrrhic Fanny (I looked it up ) Who do you think would gain the victory, pyrrhic or otherwise?

Is this what’s known as a Pyricc (sp?) Victory?

FannyCornforth

Whitewavemark2

Just read that there are at least 67 letters in.

Reported by Paul Mason

I posted that with a link upthread

? that will teach me to read everything?. He’s toast unfortunately.

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“Grant Schapps this weekend is the first senior Minister to use a new line that is being trialed,

'I didn't vote for Brexit but the country did'.

We can expect to hear this a lot as the government transitions to a rejoin single market and CU position.”

Whitewavemark2

Just read that there are at least 67 letters in.

Reported by Paul Mason

I posted that with a link upthread

Just read that there are at least 67 letters in.

Reported by Paul Mason

Casdon

MayBee70

DiamondLily

DaisyAnne

Thank you for the link DiamondLily. I do hope they don't declare the vote on Johnson's leadership before the two elections.

So do I. The rebels have much more chance succeeding if the Tories do lose these by-elections.

But, I am a bit conflicted, as I really think Johnson is one of Labour's greatest assets, looking forwards to the GE.

If they do get anyone trustworthy and competent, then who knows?

Some Tory rebels are also threatening to hold "vote strikes":

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10885745/Boris-Johnson-faces-80-chance-leadership-challenge-elections.html

The strange thing is man of the rebels are doing so because they think Johnson locked down too hard and aren’t giving them the brexit they wanted. Not because he’s an untrustworthy liar ( well, I suppose he lied about the brexit he was going to deliver).

If that’s true MayBee70 they must be MPs who haven’t publicly said they have submitted letters, as the majority of those who have are not on the right of the party. Were any hints given as to who is rebelling from the right?

I’m afraid I can’t remember where I read it. It just gave a list of MP’s that had called for his resignation and the reasons why they did so and it really surprised me. I’ll try to find it.

Whitewavemark2

Question

If Johnson loses the confidence vote, can he do a Trump and refuse to budge?

You may be able to hear the cogs whirring in my brain WWM.

This would be a vote of no confidence by the Tory Party in its leader. He could not remain as their leader as their rules would not allow it.

I don't know if "a person" could remain as PM. He wouldn't have the backing of parliament to do so. If he tried, would they be able to have a parliamentary vote of no confidence or would that have to be in the government? The Tories would win a no confidence votes because of their numbers.

It would be both messy and ridiculous but that hasn't stopped him in the past. I think we would end up relying on Tory Party rules - which they could, presumably change if necessary.

He may get thruogh the vote but he will be weakened. What worries me is that any Tory replacement could well be worse.

MayBee70

DiamondLily

DaisyAnne

Thank you for the link DiamondLily. I do hope they don't declare the vote on Johnson's leadership before the two elections.

So do I. The rebels have much more chance succeeding if the Tories do lose these by-elections.

But, I am a bit conflicted, as I really think Johnson is one of Labour's greatest assets, looking forwards to the GE.

If they do get anyone trustworthy and competent, then who knows?

Some Tory rebels are also threatening to hold "vote strikes":

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10885745/Boris-Johnson-faces-80-chance-leadership-challenge-elections.html

The strange thing is man of the rebels are doing so because they think Johnson locked down too hard and aren’t giving them the brexit they wanted. Not because he’s an untrustworthy liar ( well, I suppose he lied about the brexit he was going to deliver).

If that’s true MayBee70 they must be MPs who haven’t publicly said they have submitted letters, as the majority of those who have are not on the right of the party. Were any hints given as to who is rebelling from the right?

It’s rumoured that there are already 67 letters www.thetimes.co.uk/article/can-boris-johnson-weather-the-coming-storm-tbcj89fjn

MB70. Yes, there doesn't seem to be one issue. Predominantly, I suppose it's about them worrying about their own seats.

Some think he's too socialist, some think he's too soft on immigration, some think he's a liar and a liability.?

DiamondLily

DaisyAnne

Thank you for the link DiamondLily. I do hope they don't declare the vote on Johnson's leadership before the two elections.

So do I. The rebels have much more chance succeeding if the Tories do lose these by-elections.

But, I am a bit conflicted, as I really think Johnson is one of Labour's greatest assets, looking forwards to the GE.

If they do get anyone trustworthy and competent, then who knows?

Some Tory rebels are also threatening to hold "vote strikes":

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10885745/Boris-Johnson-faces-80-chance-leadership-challenge-elections.html

The strange thing is man of the rebels are doing so because they think Johnson locked down too hard and aren’t giving them the brexit they wanted. Not because he’s an untrustworthy liar ( well, I suppose he lied about the brexit he was going to deliver).

Question

If Johnson loses the confidence vote, can he do a Trump and refuse to budge?

DaisyAnne

Thank you for the link DiamondLily. I do hope they don't declare the vote on Johnson's leadership before the two elections.

So do I. The rebels have much more chance succeeding if the Tories do lose these by-elections.

But, I am a bit conflicted, as I really think Johnson is one of Labour's greatest assets, looking forwards to the GE.

If they do get anyone trustworthy and competent, then who knows?

Some Tory rebels are also threatening to hold "vote strikes":

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10885745/Boris-Johnson-faces-80-chance-leadership-challenge-elections.html