Rwanda

Not a good look for the EU to support this either, as we keep being reminded it’s all about the optics

Reading the Telegraph article leaves me with the impression that the reporter is distinctly underwhelmed by the experience of the refugees in the UNCHR camp. One might even go so far as to say 'critical of'.

Which is odd if it's now cheering on Patel's nasty scheme.

Telegraph report. Not a very good advertisement for Rwanda. Is it?

Asylum seekers in Rwanda have said they have been left in a “traumatising” poverty-stricken limbo for years, barely able to afford clothes and constantly in fear of the country’s brutal security forces, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.

As the Home Office prepares to send the first batch of asylum seekers 4,000 miles south on a one-way ticket to Rwanda on Tuesday 14 June, this newspaper sent journalists to investigate what was happening in the police state.

UK Ministers claim that the deal to permanently settle migrants who crossed the channel illegally to the East African nation will give people a chance to “rebuild their lives in safety”.

Rwanda has promised 'long term accommodation' to those who resettle in the country but no details have been released showing what it might look like.

The Gashora Transit Centre, 90 miles from Rwanda's capital Kigali, is the clearest indication of where the migrants will be resettled.

Police keep a watchful eye on the centre, refusing independent journalists access just in case one of the refugees inside says something damaging to Rwanda's carefully crafted image as Africa's 'miracle' nation.

But refugees snuck out of the centre to tell Telegraph reporters the reality of what was going on.

‘No one can stay in these conditions for long’

“The economic conditions in the transit centre have been harsh. Since coming here, I have not been able to support my child whom I left back in Sudan," says one man whose wife died when he was stuck in Libya.

“The poverty has been hard-hitting and the camp has been traumatising. No one can stay in these conditions for long.”

Many live in constant fear of the security forces. The refugees at Gashora have a curfew of 8pm and are punished for being out late. Some alleged that local police had sexually abused a 16-year-old boy outside the camp last year.”

There is a lot more along these lines, as well as other publications and first hand evidence of how Rwanda is treating asylum seekers.

Patel will know this.

Maudi

Lee Anderson MP ?

Have Faith.

I see a few people are complaining there are not enough people on this flight tomorrow and I share the frustration.

However, this is a landmark judgement today which allows us to take people to Rwanda to process Asylum claims.

This is a massive victory and should not be talked down. Its been a real battle behind the scenes and I know this because I have been part of it.

Polite request, please get behind us because we are on your side unlike Labour, the lefty lawyers and human rights bosses on 6 figure salaries.

No other party would do this.

Another request to destroy democracy and replace it with dictatorship I see.

Maudi

Have you noticed how some posters when they haven't got an answer just start calling people names, what a sad bunch they are.

Perhaps they have relatives who are getting rich making human right claims for the illegals or perhaps for some warped reason they approve of the smuggler gangs getting rich off the backs of the desperate.

Words like "illegals" immediately flag up that people have run out of arguments, don't they? The government does the same with the judiciary, some of whose legal challenges they can only reply to by calling them "woke". Other attacks on our legal system, for fear they are right, I assume, comes into the same level of behaviour.

But then, if you have a government that behaves this way, I suppose it's no surprise when their fans do too.

Ah! I get it now.

So what is actually happening, and not what this lying government is saying is that - the EU is NOT resettling asylum seekers from the EU to Rwanda, it is taking part in a scheme alongside the UNHCR to help pay for Libyan asylum seekers.

So the EU IS NOT TRANSPORTING ASYLUM SEEKERS TO RWANDA.

Patel was lying.

Ha ha the leavers obsession with the EU I think it's the other way round. Yes say your gay or whatever and hey presto your saved.

Whitewavemark2
This is the story that I poster way back on this thread. You didn’t believe it.
Here is another link.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/asylum-seekers-resettled-rwanda-eu-scheme-abandoned-poverty/

Jaberwok

Totally agree with Urstongran and others. If this policy can deter these mostly fit young men and the evil traffickers then it must be a good thing. Bombs have dropped on this country in the past and no one I've ever heard of attempted to cross the Channel in order to escape tbem. If this imaginary bomb were a nuclear one, then escaping wouldn't be an option whichever side of the channel you lived!!

The ignorance shown by some would be laughable if it were not so terrifying in the way it plays with people's lives.

When bombs were dropping people did not cross the channel because they would have been sailing straight into the arms of those who dropped the bombs. Instead, thousands of children, with and without their mothers, crossed the seas and were welcomed by North America, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

volver

It doesn't matter what others are doing and the Leaver obsession with the EU is irrelevant in this case.

The whole process is wrong. It doesn't matter who else is doing it. Australia, EU, whatever. We shouldn't be doing it and just saying that others are doing it doesn't mean we should too.

I had no idea this had been happening for five years till I saw an item on the ITV news this morning. I then Googled EU send immigrants to Rwanda in order to find out for myself.

Just for the record volver I am not in favour of this, but I do like to find out for myself what/how other Countries deal with their migrants as it is a huge problem.

Are we sure it is correct?

Maudi

06:38Lucca

I was talking about certain posters on the news and politics thread not GN in general but I expect you know that but obviously it doesn't suit your narative.

Yes, and my comment still applies…to myself for example.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

There is a news broadcaster in Kigali who has just said that the EU run a similar scheme with Rwanda?

I am not aware that this happens?

I do know that the right wing ultra conservative Austrian government has urged the EU to adopt the U.K. policy.

But would be interested in what you have found.

I had no idea either Whitewavemark2 until it came up on the news this morning, which is why I Goggled it.

GrannyGravy13

There is a news broadcaster in Kigali who has just said that the EU run a similar scheme with Rwanda?

I am not aware that this happens?

I do know that the right wing ultra conservative Austrian government has urged the EU to adopt the U.K. policy.

But would be interested in what you have found.

Maudi

There is even an Albanian young man on the flight list (what's he running from) but obviously he's lodged an appeal paid for by the British taxpayer, you couldn't make it up.

Human rights violations in Albania.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Albania

Perhaps he's gay. Or Roma.

The ignorance of people when it comes to refugees is just unlimited.

Maudi

There is even an Albanian young man on the flight list (what's he running from) but obviously he's lodged an appeal paid for by the British taxpayer, you couldn't make it up.

He could have been involved with the Iranian dissidents based in Albania, who want to topple the regime in Iran.

Do you know that he isn't?

It doesn't matter what others are doing and the Leaver obsession with the EU is irrelevant in this case.

The whole process is wrong. It doesn't matter who else is doing it. Australia, EU, whatever. We shouldn't be doing it and just saying that others are doing it doesn't mean we should too.

For those that are interested, Google EU immigrants to Rwanda, several articles cover this, the camp was set up with the UN and EU over five years ago. (according to Telegraph article 10/06/22)

That’s rarely mentioned GG13 as it doesn’t fit the narrative that we are the bad guys.

There is a news broadcaster in Kigali who has just said that the EU run a similar scheme with Rwanda?

Whitewavemark2

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Stormzy

If you'd rather see desperate people sent to Rwanda at a cost of millions, than spend that money on feeding our millions of hungry children, then you need to retrain as a human.

Yes, Stormzy but we are already spending millions a day housing and feeding migrants and that money could go towards feeding our hungry children.

The brutality of what is happening.

“This morning, at some isolated spot, private contractors are strapping a tiny group of terrified and desperate men and women, perhaps children, into restraining devices, the more easily to port them aboard an airplane bound for a country most have never been to in East Africa.”

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Stormzy

If you'd rather see desperate people sent to Rwanda at a cost of millions, than spend that money on feeding our millions of hungry children, then you need to retrain as a human.

Thank you Kandinsky that was nice of you. Of course to many others on N&P I’m beyond redemption!
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Welby. I’m sure he means well, but anyone else spot the C of E comparison with John Lewis here?

Business going down the pan
Shrinking customer base
Preaching wokeness and diversity to their customers
Diverging from core business
Overpaid out of touch unqualified management


GN would be so boring without you Urmstongran

All the preaching &‘’you’re going to hell!!’ nonsense is getting a bit silly.