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DWP to get powers of arrest, search and seizure

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DaisyAnne Sat 04-Jun-22 09:38:03

The DWP is to get the power to arrest claimants, search premises and seize evidence as well as being able to fine claimants where they do not have enough evidence to bring a criminal case for fraud, the government has announced.

The new measures, many of which will not be possible to introduce without an Act of Parliament, are aimed primarily at cutting fraud in Universal credit (UC).

In total, the DWP are to spend £200 million a year on the new initiative, which will see 1,400 more staff in frontline counter-fraud teams plus a new 2,000 strong team solely for checking universal credit claims.

The sweeping new powers will mean that designated DWP staff will be able to arrest claimants, search premises and seize any evidence they find without needing to use the police. The DWP say this will put them on a par with HMRC and the Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority (GLAA).

There will also be new powers for the DWP to force other organisations, especially banks, to provide data about claimants on a much wider scale than is currently legally allowed.

At the moment the DWP can only require organisations to give them information about named individuals where there is already a suspicion of fraud. The DWP want much broader powers to access information.

They say that a “small test” has been run with a bank to assess the potential of using a feed of banking data to identify possible fraud and error, “with very encouraging results”.

The DWP will be able to impose civil penalties on claimants based on a percentage of any overpayment, where the DWP does not have enough evidence to prosecute. This will be in addition to having to repay the whole amount of the benefit the DWP consider to have been fraudulently obtained.

The DWP already have the power to impose civil penalties, but they have to have evidence sufficient to meet the standard for criminal prosecution before they can do so. Under the new proposals, a lower level of evidence would be needed in order for the department to impose a penalty.

The DWP will also be able to impose penalties on organisations which the it considers are “promoting benefit fraud schemes online, creators and sellers of fraud toolkits on social media or someone supplying fake ID.”

This article is from the Benefits and Work site.

growstuff Mon 06-Jun-22 17:44:10

Maudi

17:31growstuff

Obviously you and Labour/Libs are happy for people to remain for ever on benefits. That's why normal hard working tax paying people will never vote Labour in, you want the hard grafting workers to pay for your benefits.

Wow! What are you drinking Maudi? grin

Oldnproud Mon 06-Jun-22 17:45:47

Maudi

17:31growstuff

Obviously you and Labour/Libs are happy for people to remain for ever on benefits. That's why normal hard working tax paying people will never vote Labour in, you want the hard grafting workers to pay for your benefits.

Have you any idea whatsoever how many of those people needing benefits already have jobs? Or are retired?
Or will you just continue to 'talk through your backside', as a real gentleman I used to know and love would have put it?

Grantanow Mon 06-Jun-22 17:47:14

A thuggish policy - what can you expect from zj

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 06-Jun-22 17:49:01

I sympathise with that view Maudi. I believe a Labour government would be far too soft where benefits are concerned. Of course there are people wholly deserving of support because they cannot work, or cannot earn enough to support their family. And there are those who will not work. We’ve all seen the exposees on tv of people who fake ill health and generations of families who have never worked. Remember the programme ‘Benefits Street’ a few years ago? It happens.

growstuff Mon 06-Jun-22 17:52:21

Would you employ this woman?

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 06-Jun-22 17:52:59

Who is she?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 06-Jun-22 17:57:31

The glass of champagne is ok but we have a strict no smoking anywhere on the premises, even in our yards so it’s a no from me.

growstuff Mon 06-Jun-22 18:02:22

Thérèse Coffey, Secretary of State at the Department for Work and Pensions.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 06-Jun-22 18:05:53

Well unless she was a qualified lawyer I wouldn’t have been offering her a job anyway. If she chose to smoke cigars outside the office it wouldn’t have been my concern.

Maudi Mon 06-Jun-22 18:06:44

I'm drinking French wine actually I'm on a campsite nr Royan smile

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 06-Jun-22 18:09:09

Enjoy. I have a glass of NZ dry white at hand.

Maudi Mon 06-Jun-22 18:10:35

Thank you I will and thanks to Tesco unlimited Internet roaming.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 06-Jun-22 18:11:31

Cheers I have just been handed a rather nice dry white by DH, sorry no idea of the grape or country of origin (to lazy to get up and look in fridge)

Maudi Mon 06-Jun-22 18:12:36

Unfortunately got to go and wash up at the communal sinks now lol

GrannyGravy13 Mon 06-Jun-22 18:13:07

growstuff

Thérèse Coffey, Secretary of State at the Department for Work and Pensions.

How long did you trawl the internet to find the most unflattering photo of Secretary of State of DWP?

Maudi Mon 06-Jun-22 18:21:07

She could get a job as a bouncer? as I said no need for anyone not to have a job

biglouis Mon 06-Jun-22 18:21:32

In the space of 15 months, from March 2020, the three main Covid loan schemes – bounce back, CBILS and a scheme for larger loans, CLBILS – handed out nearly £80bn to businesses.

Banks intent on protecting their finances usually apply stringent credit checks to help avoid fraud and ensure customers can repay their loans, but what was eventually agreed for bounce back, amid pressure from the Treasury to speed up loan distribution, was that checks would be dispensed with altogether.

While lenders would have to make reasonable efforts to chase down the debts, a state guarantee put taxpayers on the hook for 100% of losses linked to defaults or fraudulent applications.

Insolvency Service records show some took loans to fund gambling or currency trading – money the government is unlikely to ever recover – while others spent it on things such as home improvements, car raffles or luxury personal items.

Questions remain as to how determinedly the government will be able to chase all fraudulent claims.

Low hanging fruit.

growstuff Mon 06-Jun-22 19:08:03

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

Thérèse Coffey, Secretary of State at the Department for Work and Pensions.

How long did you trawl the internet to find the most unflattering photo of Secretary of State of DWP?

Two nanoseconds!

Doodledog Mon 06-Jun-22 19:31:46

I see no reason why people with savings should be denied benefits if they have paid into the system. There are stringent (not to say unreasonably strict) checks to ensure that claimants are looking for work, and that they take jobs if they are offered, which is the important thing, so why should someone who has saved be denied money given to a colleague who hasn't, when the company they both worked for goes under?

Similarly, if someone is unemployed and meets a new partner, why should the unemployed one be assumed to be financially dependent on the other, if they decide to move in together?

It really is time that benefits were more closely linked to contributions, and were paid to individuals instead of households, in the same way as tax is paid.

DaisyAnne Mon 06-Jun-22 20:09:06

Germanshepherdsmum

There are a good many unskilled vacancies Daisy.

How many GSM? There doesn't seem to be a plan of any sort or even any stats to work out what needs doing. Just because your coffee shop is finding it difficult to employ does not make that where people want to work. This does not mean that those who can are not working.

I have just been with my daughter; her company is constantly advertising. They cannot get people with the skills and education necessary. It is nothing to do with not wanting to work. How arrogant does someone have to be to assume those who need work are not trying to get it?

Meanwhile, the LP (not a member or a supporter but interested in what they say) are saying the three things we need to get right are Education, Skills and Transport. They have a plan. Where is the Conservative plan (if "Conservative" is still appropriate)?

DaisyAnne Mon 06-Jun-22 20:19:36

Maudi

No excuse for not having a job. Some just want to remain on benefits have another child when one reaches school age.

The UK's unemployment rate is the lowest in 50 years. What, in that statistic, gives you the right to be so negative and negative about a group of people who don't seem to exist. What would you think if someone was doing the same to a group defined by their faith, colour, or race? No, the far-right is going for the poor and unemployed this time round.

It is despicable to try and make the minority be the enemy of the majority. But no doubt that thinking makes some feel very comfortable and superior.

Maudi Mon 06-Jun-22 20:26:27

What are you talking about, perhaps you need to get out in the real world instead of being on GN day and night.

DaisyAnne Mon 06-Jun-22 20:34:58

I do get out when I can Maudi. Unfortunately, it's not always possible. That doesn't stop me from knowing what is going on nor does it stop me from knowing there are some very rude people in the world.

Maudi Mon 06-Jun-22 20:45:37

Why because not everyone shares your views.

DaisyAnne Mon 06-Jun-22 21:17:05

Maudi

Why because not everyone shares your views.

That too is a personal attack and therefore rude.

I don't come on here to talk to people who share my views; I come on to learn. That means talking to those who have both similar, and vastly different views but are willing to share their thinking and factual knowledge.

It seems you are more ready to attack me than to explain why you are not taking the lowest unemployment for 50 years into account.