Speaking the truth about brexit

What do you mean 'non elected'? There were EU elections for MEPs and we could all vote.

I will say again..all countries suffered Covid but only the UK suffered Brexit... that's why our economy is tanking.

Once again, all I hear is whinge, whinge, whinge. So we have gone through a drastic period with Covid etc. and we have to bear in mind that the EU are going to make our leaving, their non-elected hierarchy, as difficult as possible, who would not do so. Difficult times are to be expected but one must wait and see the final outcome and you "gripers" may yet be found wanting.

I am able to accept people voting to leave the EU based on considered opinion and belief, but when it has been based on nonsense, inaccuracies and downright lies, which some keep on trotting out, I do start to lose understanding and acceptance and get very angry indeed. Dylant1234 hits the nail on the head.

Utter nonsense to say that the UK was limited to trading with only 27 countries. Is that what you truly believe somerset10? As members of the EU we were part of bloc trade agreements with the rest of the world. Do please look at this:

www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries

These are the nations we traded with as part of the EU and are having to renegotiate with.

I answered the banana question the other day. Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador and Belize none of which are in Europe unless there’s been some major tectonic plate shift in the night. Johnson was waffling the other day complaining about banana tariffs. It's up to his government to negotiate them.

as soon as i saw the "heading" i knew you lot on here would be anti brexit........you seem to be anti everything.....the government / Boris / the monarchy / Farage/ Trump, i' m sure you'd be far happier

Brexit was never about practical issues, but emotional ones. It was rather like Trump and his 'make America great again' slogan.

I agree with this wholeheartedly ☝?

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somerset10

Many people had many reasons for leaving the EU, not least of which, the population at large never wanted to join in the first place.
Brexit can work. However, the workings of it were derailed by the pandemic. With this, everything is now 2 years behind time.
We are now able, if we try, to trade with over 150 countries around the world. In the EU we are limited to 27.
Some companies were slow to start finding other trading partners, and as such have gone into administration. Others, including new companies, are starting to flourish.
The most important thing about leaving the EU is democracy ---- the EU wants to be a super state in a republican mode. However, only the council in Brussels has any power or money, everyone else might as well forget they ever had a functioning government.

Let's pick one.

Do you really think we were only allowed to trade with 27 countries?

Where do you think the bananas came from?

And just about every cheap household appliance, christmas decoration, cutlery, crockery, mobile phones, etc etc. etc?

I didn't realise that China was on of the EU 27 (or even the EU 28 when we were still in it...)

It must be very hard for people who believed Johnson, Farage, Dyson, Rees-Mogg etc to accept the harsh economic reality that is Brexit.
I’m sure they would not deliberately have voted to make their children poorer and with fewer opportunities than they had.
The enormity of the Brexit deception is too much for many to admit to, even in the face of hard, objective, economic facts.
Like cult members, they will continue to insist that Johnson (Boris to them) can do no wrong, that he is being unfairly treated by the press and lefty liberals.
When the pound crashes, inflation soars, our freedoms are totally curtailed and they wake up in a fascist state, will they wake up? Will they stand up?

Many people had many reasons for leaving the EU, not least of which, the population at large never wanted to join in the first place.

In the 1975 UK referendum 67% voted to stay in the EU.

Brexit can work. However, the workings of it were derailed by the pandemic.

All countries have suffered the pandemic. The UK's economy is in a worse state than all other nations in the top G20 barring Russia.

We are now able, if we try, to trade with over 150 countries around the world.

We always could. Now though, we are having trouble trading with the EU - our closest neighbours and the people who were responsible for a large percentage of our trade...and food...prior to Brexit.

These things are all in the public domain. Why do so many people not know this stuff and persist in spouting and applauding things that are clearly not true?

somerset10

Many people had many reasons for leaving the EU, not least of which, the population at large never wanted to join in the first place.
Brexit can work. However, the workings of it were derailed by the pandemic. With this, everything is now 2 years behind time.
We are now able, if we try, to trade with over 150 countries around the world. In the EU we are limited to 27.
Some companies were slow to start finding other trading partners, and as such have gone into administration. Others, including new companies, are starting to flourish.
The most important thing about leaving the EU is democracy ---- the EU wants to be a super state in a republican mode. However, only the council in Brussels has any power or money, everyone else might as well forget they ever had a functioning government.

Let's pick one.

Do you really think we were only allowed to trade with 27 countries?

Where do you think the bananas came from?

somerset10

Many people had many reasons for leaving the EU, not least of which, the population at large never wanted to join in the first place.
Brexit can work. However, the workings of it were derailed by the pandemic. With this, everything is now 2 years behind time.
We are now able, if we try, to trade with over 150 countries around the world. In the EU we are limited to 27.
Some companies were slow to start finding other trading partners, and as such have gone into administration. Others, including new companies, are starting to flourish.
The most important thing about leaving the EU is democracy ---- the EU wants to be a super state in a republican mode. However, only the council in Brussels has any power or money, everyone else might as well forget they ever had a functioning government.

Give me strength!

Just where do you start with this ?

I'm off to do some gardening...

Well said somerset10 and Eileen!

That was for somerset10

You're havering.

At least Brexit was democratic- well relatively. The Irish situation was not mentioned during the campaign and the rights and wrongs of that are not quite so democratic. It depends where the voters are taken from not always from all those affected by the vote. If EU citizens could vote on whether the Britain remained in the EU I wonder what that vote would have been? Many of the resulting problems could be sorted with goodwill on both sides. We didn’t join the Euro this left us out of major discussions but I seem to hear rumblings in the media we may still be asked to contribute towards the finances of Greece and Italy. I voted for Brexit and regret the major problems caused at the borders but what has changed wasn’t all EU law brought into British law? Yes we can now change it but surely that is when more red tape should be added not just because we fly a Union Jack instead of the EU flag.

Many people had many reasons for leaving the EU, not least of which, the population at large never wanted to join in the first place.
Brexit can work. However, the workings of it were derailed by the pandemic. With this, everything is now 2 years behind time.
We are now able, if we try, to trade with over 150 countries around the world. In the EU we are limited to 27.
Some companies were slow to start finding other trading partners, and as such have gone into administration. Others, including new companies, are starting to flourish.
The most important thing about leaving the EU is democracy ---- the EU wants to be a super state in a republican mode. However, only the council in Brussels has any power or money, everyone else might as well forget they ever had a functioning government.

What things in particular are you happy with SecondhandRose?

Also, of note, Rees Mogg made many millions from Brexsh1te and his money is stashed in the British Virgin Islands!

I voted to leave and am still happy with my vote. There, I said it out loud. I don’t read The Guardian either. Lights the touch paper and off she goes!

I have two friends who are very "Brexity" and despite all the lack of benefits, still consider that we are "better off" as we are "free" from the constraints of Brussels and can make our own laws etc! The friendships have been sorely tested, I can tell you!

Brexsh1te was a completely needless and damaging exercise in shooting yourself in the foot. The Tories played on people's xenophobia and blamed the problems in this country on the EU and foreigners when the real structural problems in the economy', housing, lack of workers rights, decimation of unions caused most of the problems and were down to Tory policies over the last 40 years. Deregulation of financial service sector brought in by Thatcher was one of the causes of banks getting into trouble in 2008. The blonde baffoon Johnson played the Brexit voters and red wall voters exceptionally well - a true snake oil sales man!

Brexit was to protect the OFF SHORE rich ! the amount of money held in those off shore accounts is breathe taking .. The new rules the EU introduced concerning that greedy hoarding was not liked by Boris and friends !

Well done for such honesty Delene100. ??

Apologies if that sounds patronising, its not meant to.

I voted Brexit but now realise it was a big mistake. Now people are talking about joining the single market like Norway, which would give the UK no say in deciding policies, etc. We had a great Standing around the EU negotiating and decision making table before which we will never get back. What a disaster now being treated as a third country, together with the border mess in Northern Ireland.

We can forget full membership for a generation but Single Market (EEA) would not be difficult if freedom of movement was accepted.