Boris wins confidence vote

Democracy at work.

Katie59

growstuff

Katie59

vegansrock

If you were running an organisation and 40% of your employees wanted you out of that job would you call that an outstanding show of support?

Starmer is running an organization where 40% want him out, so honors even. LOL

Sad state of affairs, neither party are united.

I missed the Labour Party's vote on the issue.

A few days late. Did you not realise Starmer only got 56% in the leadership election!.

Do you not realise that Leave only got 52% in the referendum but it was enough to precipitate the Brexit catastrophe and convince people that it was democratic.

Or that the tories only got 43% of the vote in the 2019 election and look where we are now...

growstuff

Katie59

vegansrock

If you were running an organisation and 40% of your employees wanted you out of that job would you call that an outstanding show of support?

Starmer is running an organization where 40% want him out, so honors even. LOL

Sad state of affairs, neither party are united.

I missed the Labour Party's vote on the issue.

A few days late. Did you not realise Starmer only got 56% in the leadership election!.

This is the second one to resign in this post. The first was when nothing was done about Patel after she was found guilty of misconduct- bullying and general nastiness.

I am reading much merriment in the American press and the comments about the fact that Johnson had an ethics advisor.

Lord Geidt's job was always only window dressing. When the PM is sole arbiter of ministerial standards (including his own, the post of ethics advisor only has any meaning if the PM is willing to take advice. Which he is not...

I am continually surprised when supposedly intelligent people take on such mickey mouse posts when Johnson is so clearly contemptuous of anyone but himself.

Lord Geidt has resigned.

Katie59

vegansrock

If you were running an organisation and 40% of your employees wanted you out of that job would you call that an outstanding show of support?

Starmer is running an organization where 40% want him out, so honors even. LOL

Sad state of affairs, neither party are united.

I missed the Labour Party's vote on the issue.

Voting Intention amongst 18-24 year olds: (12th June)

?LAB: 61% (+20)
?CON: 13% (-11)
?LDM: 7% (-)
?RFM: 5% (+3)
?GRN: 3% (-18)
???????SNP: 2% (-)
⚪️OTHER: 8% (+5)

Changes (-/+) w/5th June

The Tories have nothing to say to the young

vegansrock

If you were running an organisation and 40% of your employees wanted you out of that job would you call that an outstanding show of support?

Starmer is running an organization where 40% want him out, so honors even. LOL

Sad state of affairs, neither party are united.

Reply from my MP says she totally trusts in the PM’s integrity. Despite my letter pointing out the fact that he had removed the word integrity from the ministerial code. And no mention of the ABBA party at the PM’s flat; I had specifically asked why the party had not been investigated. She is on his payroll. Obviously representing him and not her constituents.

I bet Starmer is chuffed to bits!

He's always being criticised for being anything but a revolutionary.

Yesterday Johnson described the confidence vote as 'less than a flesh wound'.

Today in the Mail Peter Hitchens is describing Keir Starmer as a 'revolutionary'. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10898627/PETER-HITCHENS-Revolutionary-past-gives-lie-notion-Keir-Starmer-moderate.html

Deny. Smear. Spin. Lie. Promise more housing (with no plan for its execution or track record of success). This is the next stage of their plan. God I hope people don't fall for this nonsense.

If you were running an organisation and 40% of your employees wanted you out of that job would you call that an outstanding show of support?

hence eConsult. This has been the plan for some time. To wean the public off F2F consultations. Eventually, they will introduce a scheme whereby you can have one, but you will have to pay for it.

Step 1 in the Tory’s privatisation of the NHS - free at the point of need???Step 2 - if you need an overnight stay in hospital, you pay for the ‘facilities’; Step 3 - if you require an ambulance, you pay for it… I could go on.

Tobias Ellwood ( an MP who I have the utmost respect for) is desperate to get rid of Johnson

grandtanteJE65

I hold no brief for Boris Johnson, but the man is surely entitled to believe that as 60% of his parliamentary party expressed confidence in him, he would be letting them down if he left.

All public figures and indeed nearly everyone else as well receive criticism at times. Can we really expect people to leave a job they have taken on because under half of those they work with criticise them?

Would you?

Anyone with any integrity would have a moment of self-reflection and examine their principles if 40% of the people they worked with stated they had no confidence in them as their leader.

And if a wider audience - in this instance the general public - have made it clear via the polling booth and mails to their MPs, that they, too, are dissatisfied, then yes, I would expect them to seriously consider resigning.

Both Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May were, ultimately, forced to do just that.

A vote of confidence is a censure motion and indicates the government has lost the support of the Commons - the very fact of it happening is reason enough for any leader to examine his conscience.

Johnson has lied - consistently. That is not a good look for a Prime Minister.

Would I leave a job if so many had no confidence in me? Yes, I would. I'd be too ashamed to continue.

They are only interested in themselves and their fishy salaries and all who voted to keep him are also liars with no ethics

katy1950

It means 60% have confidence

And if many of the 40% with hold their votes he won't be able to get any legislation through parliament. There is no guarantee that they're all going to continue to support him if it is legislation they don't agree with..

katy1950

It means 60% have confidence

No, it doesn't. It means 60% are watching their own backs.

katy1950

It means 60% have confidence

No, it means perhaps 25% have confidence, and the other 35% either daren’t vote against because they are being paid extra as ministers, or they are new intake 2019 and are naive enough to believe him because he was popular when they were elected. Just look at the detail, most experienced, back bench MPs have voted against him. That tells the story.

If I were a Conservative MP now, I would be going back to my constituents and sounding them out because ultimately they're the ones who will keep me in my job.

It's highly likely that some of them will lose the whip, in which case they're going to have to stand as independents if they want to continue as an MP. If they do that, they're going to need the backing of constituents. If they're in a marginal constituency and have put the party above the people who voted for them, they thoroughly deserve to lose their seat.

My MP is a careerist, who is rarely in the constituency. She tweeted that her constituents had told her to back Johnson. She also claimed that she'd spoken to them over the weekend, even though nobody seems to have seen her at any local Jubilee events. Not saying she's a liar, but ...

There are literally hundred of outraged comments on a local Facebook page, many from people who claim to be Conservative supporters. This is classic "Waitrose Woman" territory and people can be pushed so far. For the first time ever, I think there's a faint possibility we might not have a Conservative MP after the next election.

Definitely growstuff. Leader of the HoC and former Chief Whip Mark Spencer is on record as having said that the 2019 intake was poor. An article in yesterday's paper from a Tory staffer reads:

"A very common view among more senior MPs and Tory staffers is that the recent intake of Conservative backbenchers, often those from the “red wall” seats, are often of low ability, even not hugely clever. Both 2017 and 2019 elections were sudden, and there just wasn’t enough time to vet candidates.

A lot of them don’t have especially good non-political careers to fall back on, so being an MP is all they have. These MPs are not especially good at holding the prime minister to account. In part, they sometimes just don’t understand very well how politics and parliament work. But also, all they want is to stay in parliament, and so are less willing to stand up to the government. For now, many see their only viable chance of re-election being with Johnson as the leader. Not least because the question asked by most Tory MPs is, who next? They don’t especially care if the party wins a majority at the next election, not least because there doesn’t seem to be any plan for government.

As long as there is no credible alternative, and they believe they can hold on to their seat with him at the helm, they will not push for him to go."

It means 60% have confidence

grandtanteJE65

I hold no brief for Boris Johnson, but the man is surely entitled to believe that as 60% of his parliamentary party expressed confidence in him, he would be letting them down if he left.

All public figures and indeed nearly everyone else as well receive criticism at times. Can we really expect people to leave a job they have taken on because under half of those they work with criticise them?

Would you?

Yes, I would leave. I'm not convinced that they've expressed confidence as much as been threatened with losing their incomes. If nearly half my co-workers thought I wasn't fit for my job, I don't even know how I could go to work every morning. I certainly wouldn't be able to lead them.

grandtanteJE65

I hold no brief for Boris Johnson, but the man is surely entitled to believe that as 60% of his parliamentary party expressed confidence in him, he would be letting them down if he left.

All public figures and indeed nearly everyone else as well receive criticism at times. Can we really expect people to leave a job they have taken on because under half of those they work with criticise them?

Would you?

A large number of the 58% who voted for Johnson are members of the Cabinet or in some sort of ministerial post. On the government payroll. A great many of them could be heaved out of office by Johnson's successor. Of course they're gong to vote for him.

Whereas, 75% of backbenchers voted against him. They're the lobby fodder; the nodding dogs who form the majority in votes on proposed legislation. If they withdraw their votes nothing can be passed. He seems to be a lame duck.