Working class? Don't think that Oxbridge is for you.

I have a question. Does anybody know why so many of the expressions of support on KB's twitter feed are in the same font on a standard background, and are not attributed to any specific people?

Its almost like they've been made up by her.

Surely not.

Same reason most of the supportive messages on my MP's use the same vocabulary and are in the same format I would imagine. I would imagine she keeps the bot farms busy.

*MP's twitter feed (omitted two words)

There have been examples when there have been literally 100s of "users" pumping out the same tweets.

I think the OU has set the path for many hybrid degrees in the future. Well done your daughter M0nica

What an appalling slur to are placing on Ms Burbalsingh's character. While I accept that there may be many identical posts supporting her on her twitter feed. Is there one scintilla of evidence to suggest that she is writing them.

You could be laying yourselves open to being sued for libel, by making such accusations without a shred of evidence other than your prejudices.

They are not identical posts. And I asked a question, and made a suggestion. Why does she spend so much time copying and reformatting messages to make their format identical and hide the identity or even location of the person who purportedly sent them? You'd think she'd not have a lot of time on her hands, given her two jobs.

Incidentally people are calling her out on her Twitter feed for having a fertile imagination when it comes to things people have sent her and she's not suing them for libel. Wonder why.

volver
I disagree with that fundamentally. Learning how to play golf and manage a golf club, I’m afraid, doesn’t stand up to understanding Schrodinger’s equation and quantum mechanics. Or understanding Shakespeare, for the humanities minded among us. The golf things are worth doing but they are not degree level. [Sun 12-Jun-22 11:46:41]

The national qualification frameworks in the United Kingdom are qualifications frameworks that define and link the levels and credit values of different qualifications.

The current framework body for qualifications awarded across the United Kingdom by degree-awarding powers is The Frameworks for Higher Education Qualifications of UK Degree-Awarding Bodies (FHEQ). All degrees are designed within that framework to meet the criteria for the qualification level.

The level criteria for Level 6, which is what we are discussing are:

Holder has advanced practical, conceptual or technological knowledge and understanding of a subject or field of work to create ways forward in contexts where there are many interacting factors. Holder understands different perspectives, approaches or schools of thought and the theories that underpin them. Holder can critically analyse, interpret and evaluate complex information, concepts and ideas.
AND/OR
Holder can determine, refine, adapt and use appropriate methods and advanced cognitive and practical skills to address problems that have limited definition and involve many interacting factors. Holder can use and, where appropriate, design relevant research and development to inform actions. Holder can evaluate actions, methods and results and their implications.

From this, you can see that any Sports degree will be held to a common standard with Science, English or any other subject. It appears to be your own bias where the subject is concerned that leads you to disparage one subject compared with another.

I very much doubt that the rather patronised 'Professional Golf degree' is simply about learning how to play golf and manage a golf club. Sports degrees are not my strong suit but I do know, from the contact I have had with those who run them, that they also contain science and psychology among other relevant teachings. It is easy to understand how the ability to analyse, interpret and evaluate complex information is a function that can be applied to any subject.

In a Channel 4 interview, she has just said "I'm not making a judgment on how socially mobile the country is", which is a bit strange because I would have thought it would be part of her role as social mobility commissioner.

Maybe she should start with her own school, whose success she measures by the academic success of its pupils.

Is this the one?

www.uhi.ac.uk/en/courses/ba-hons-professional-golf/

Two things.

I used to be an assessor for the quality of degrees at a local university. I know what I'm talking about.

Also, DH left University lecturing as a career because the science subject he lectured in was being reduced in complexity and level of knowledge taught, to match all the other degrees on offer. He was having to do remedial courses for first years to teach them things we had learnt in Highers.

growstuff

Is this the one?

www.uhi.ac.uk/en/courses/ba-hons-professional-golf/

Yes.

M0nica

What an appalling slur to are placing on Ms Burbalsingh's character. While I accept that there may be many identical posts supporting her on her twitter feed. Is there one scintilla of evidence to suggest that she is writing them.

You could be laying yourselves open to being sued for libel, by making such accusations without a shred of evidence other than your prejudices.

Unfortunately, she's blocked me, so I can't read what's been written.

Good grief volver.

growstuff

Is this the one?

www.uhi.ac.uk/en/courses/ba-hons-professional-golf/

It doesn't matter which one it is. All degrees work to the same framework. The relevant body ensures that the criteria are fulfilled.

It's just inverted snobbery that says you can't study one subject to the same level as another.

Actually, in this case, it's just plain snobbery.

Friend's son did a degree in Marine Sports Science with the emphasis on Surf Science.
He's worked and taught surfing all round the world and now has his own business. Happy, fulfilled and well-paid too!

Callistemon21

Friend's son did a degree in Marine Sports Science with the emphasis on Surf Science.
He's worked and taught surfing all round the world and now has his own business. Happy, fulfilled and well-paid too!

Best of both worlds, good for him.

DaisyAnne

Actually, in this case, it's just plain snobbery.

Aye maybe it is.

I think my degree that included quantum mechanics and Maxwell's equations was slightly more intellectually demanding that one that has modules in retail and event planning.

C'est la vie.

Germanshepherdsmum

Good grief volver.

what?

Your husband's experience and the 'golf degree'. I expect someone will say it's very good to study for a 'golf degree' ... if they haven't already. And Calli has added the degree which enables you to teach surfing. Yes, I am obviously a 'degree snob'. As regards both the subject and the institution.
How many graduates do we hear bemoaning the fact that they are burdened with debt and can't get jobs?

volver

DaisyAnne

Actually, in this case, it's just plain snobbery.

Aye maybe it is.

I think my degree that included quantum mechanics and Maxwell's equations was slightly more intellectually demanding that one that has modules in retail and event planning.

C'est la vie.

I bet it seemed like it when you did it. Just think though, you could do a GCSE, an A level and a degree in knitting and they would all be equal in rigour to every other GCSE, A level and degree. Schools, colleges and universities would only put them on if there was a call for them though.

Err ... I looked it up and you can do a Masters in Knitting. Mmm, there's still time ...

I guess I'm a degree snob too GSM. There is undoubtedly a need for people to know the things they teach on a golf or surfing degree, but I am not convinced that they are to a degree level of knowledge.

As for a degree in knitting. Whatever you say DaisyAnne, whatever you think, the rigour and intellectual quality of a degree in knitting is not the same as the rigour and intellectual quality of a degree in Physics. Or Economics. Or French.

I know you'll think I'm making this up but I've been knitting since I was four and designing garments since I was a teenager. Its not rocket science. While physics, now...

I hope you’re joking there …

Germanshepherdsmum

Your husband's experience and the 'golf degree'. I expect someone will say it's very good to study for a 'golf degree' ... if they haven't already. And Calli has added the degree which enables you to teach surfing. Yes, I am obviously a 'degree snob'. As regards both the subject and the institution.
How many graduates do we hear bemoaning the fact that they are burdened with debt and can't get jobs?

None of mine have taken a surfing degree!

But I can't knock it as he has surfed around the world, won competitions, is providing a service now with his own company and there is a demand. ?‍♂️

We have a niche in society - the secret is to find it. ?

Germanshepherdsmum

I hope you’re joking there …

I'm not. ??