Priti Patel wins legal battle over Rwanda migrants plan.

How many UG? Which schools? What happened subsequently? Where are they now?

How many actual migrants to the UK were there last year? And how many the year this "age mistake" happened?

Just the facts ma'am.

volver if they did appropriate checks how come some male migrants were deemed under 18 years and enrolled in schools only to be rumbled later? Sheesh indeed.

Of course they do the "appropriate checks". Do you think they are all just given an iPhone and left to get on with it?

Sheesh. So much lack of knowledge and so much inhumanity.

I’d be happy if they had appropriate checks but with our sclerotic bureaucracy that’s not happening (and hasn’t for years). These young males pay a people smuggler, jump into a rubber dinghy and arrive on the shores of Kent. Most have no paperwork. It’s a nightmare trying to process them. Some pretend to be younger than they really are so they can be processed as juveniles, deceiving local authorities. It’s dangerous (some migrants have died crossing) and just plain wrong on so many levels.

Under new legislation (Nationality and Borders Act 2022) they have 14 days to appeal I believe. They can continue to appeal . . . but from Rwanda.

What your family did was legal at the time. It’s not now.

Once again: it is perfectly legal to seek asylum in the UK, no matter what your means of arrival is. In fact, applying on arrival in the UK is one of only two ways to do so.

This is the UK government’s advice (my bold)

‘You must apply for asylum if you want to stay in the UK as a refugee.

You should apply when you arrive in the UK or as soon as you think it would be unsafe for you to return to your own country.’

volver

Whoever loses on Monday will take it to the Supreme Court.

That was just on the Classic FM news so it must be true.

Well, they'll have to be quick unless they can delay Tuesday's flight.

But, it does need sorting out legally - and the courts are the only people that can decide that.]

So you don't think it possible that, with appropriate checks, some of these people might be, as my family was, very motivated to make a success of their new life and bring useful skills to this country?
Bear in mind, as I have posted before, part of the population increase is due to the rise in numbers of the elderly, who are not being replaced by births.
Maybe we'll need younger, fitter, folk to drive our buses, run our health service, stack our shelves and build our roads.
My daughter and her family live abroad, and have brought skills to their adopted home - my daughter is undertaking a research PhD in her new language.

History is a different country ChocolateLG. What your family did was legal at the time. It’s not now.

Plus we need to manage migration to this country. It’s small in relation to other European countries.

In 1901 the population of the UK was c. 32 million people (I looked it up). It’s more than double that now.

As I say, different times.

Whoever loses on Monday will take it to the Supreme Court.

That was just on the Classic FM news so it must be true.

Ah well, the Appeal Court will decide, on Monday, what is legal under our laws and what isn't.

At least it will be settled then, one way or another, hopefully!

Urmstongran, what are your reflections on my post?

A quick turn around is essential. A dinghy ride to Kent must be seen as a one way ticket to Rwanda. Keep sending them with daily flights. The sooner people realise the money they are paying to these illegal people traffickers is a waste of money the sooner it will stop.

In 1900, my great grandfather left Italy and came to Britain as an economic migrant- no checks in those days. It was a well trodden path for poverty stricken Italian farmers, hence so many places here with Italian restaurants/ice cream parlours ( it was ice cream for my family!)
Fast forward three and four generations, and his descendants are proud Brits hard working, tax paying citizens. Can we give this opportunity to the new would-be immigrants? If we do, we may all benefit.
So, maybe a properly managed system would be morally right, and in our best interests. I'm not sure about how GreatGrandad would have fared in Rwanda.
Does the country need ice cream?

Maudi

I would child murderers they would be on a plane tomorrow if I had my way.

And what, make them some other countries problem?

How would you choose the country to send them to?

I suppose it wouldn’t matter as long as none of your family ever went there

What a sad commentary on how “the silent majority” think

? JUST IN: The United Nations is making a late attempt to stop the first flight deporting migrants to Rwanda next week, warning that it would breach Britain’s international obligations

Urmstongran

Well, well.

I understand Sri Lankan nationals were intercepted in Australian waters and taken to Christmas Island before boarding an Australian government charter flight".

You see Boris if you have the desire most anything can be achieved without a lot of fuss and you can nip the whole business in the bud in short time..and this from a newly minted Labor government too - imagine that!!

Just because other countries do it, doesn’t make it right.

Careful now, your lack of care for humanity is showing.

GrannyGravy13

Petera starting the process in refugee camps full of displaced people could be a solution. Cut out the vile trade of human trafficking/people smuggling.

Yes, if the will is there it can be competently, humanely and swiftly carried out.

YouGov have carried out a survey.

‘The Government has proposed a deal where some people who have entered Britain and applied for asylum will be flown to Rwanda, in Africa, for their asylum applications to be processed. Do you support or oppose this proposal?’

Strongly support. 20%
Tend to support. 15%
Tend to oppose. 15%
Strongly oppose. 27%
Don’t know. 23%

DiamondLily

Whitewavemark2

I think what Patel is misjudging is the fact that Britains don’t “do” fascist policies.

We fought a war and won against a regime that saw some members of the human race as not being entitled to human rights.

We haven’t forgotten that and she should be mindful of this fact.

This is the only poll I could find, and it seems the majority do support the government, including Labour voters:

twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/1515255814705008644?s=21&t=sI_ArSnyfcjv0OuyC-38Fg

Thanks for that. I’m no good at links, but IPSOS has published detailed charts etc that show a different overall result.

I think that anti- immigration is certainly falling in the U.K. and tolerance more widespread.

Hmm.

I guess it depends who you ask and whether they are Daily Mail readers and whether you ask them about the actual plan being proposed.

Another poll, two days later.

Petera starting the process in refugee camps full of displaced people could be a solution. Cut out the vile trade of human trafficking/people smuggling.

Maudi

I've noticed when certain left leaning posters haven't got an answer or don't like a post they try and make fun of the poster.

I suppose it makes them feel good about themselves hey ho whatever floats your dinghy

The answer is, and we're fed up repeating but we keep being told we have no answer: create safe and legal routes and process the migrants in the UK.

Whitewavemark2

I think what Patel is misjudging is the fact that Britains don’t “do” fascist policies.

We fought a war and won against a regime that saw some members of the human race as not being entitled to human rights.

We haven’t forgotten that and she should be mindful of this fact.

This is the only poll I could find, and it seems the majority do support the government, including Labour voters:

twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/1515255814705008644?s=21&t=sI_ArSnyfcjv0OuyC-38Fg

Should Ukrainians fleeing war also be sent to Rwanda? And if not, why not?

Syrians, Afghans, Sri Lankans are also fleeing war/oppressive regimes - what’s the difference in the way the government (and some people on GN) view them versus the people of Ukraine?

I’m happy to say that my home town has equally supported people from Ukraine and from Syria, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka. All have been welcomed here and are making a good life in the UK, contributing to the local economy and paying taxes.

Sometimes posts or threads get reported, and GNHQ decide to leave them up, even though the posts are egregiously wrong. Its often because there are enough posters vociferously disagreeing with the initial premise of the thread, that its better to leave it up there because it demonstrates that most posters are able to make sensible comments and not tolerate bigotry and racism.

Just saying.