Shamima Begum

She was a child when she left this country and the authorities failed to prevent her doing so. She was underage when she was subjected to a life where she saw unbelievable violence and now she is a stateless woman. When violence and oppression is practiced by the state and the authorities how on earth are we to stop individual men behaving in similar ways? Sanctioned abuse is just as bad and sometimes worse than individual abuse.

I think the other two girls were killed in fighting.

halfpint1

She always comes across to me as 'absent' in the thinking
department. I'm not convinced she could ever be trusted to
live in a non-majority muslim population again without being
susceptable to doctrim.

In what way is she "absent"? If my memory serves me correctly, she was doing very well at school.

she was groomed and abused and whatever we think about her, she was a child

what happened to the other two girls she went with?

Beckett

If she is returned to UK to stand trial we all know there will immediately be a campaign to either impose a very light sentence or no jail time at all.

Ask yourselves, would you be happy for this woman to be your next door neighbour, have close contact with your grandchildren, be free to attend a cinema, theatre or walk around a shopping centre frequented by you and your family.

She continued to voice support for the terrorist group and said she was sorry she had fled their last "stronghold".

I think she is still a follower and would be a danger if allowed back

I don't think we know that at all!

I think in the current climate that it's more likely she would receive a very stiff sentence.

I would have no problem going to a cinema or walking round a shopping centre she was frequenting. I doubt very much that she would ever be allowed to have a DBS to work with vulnerable adults and children.

You have no idea what is going through her mind or whether she's still a follower of ISIS.

What is the law on this situation Elizabeth?

I agree with everything you say monica I certainly never did anything bad at 15 much too scared but I do remember a bit older and I had my head completely turned by a 27 year old thankfully he grew tired of a schoolgirl very quickly and I had my heart broken
I also totally agree with you ailidh if she had been blue eyed she would have not had the back lash she has had
She did bad things (or maybe more likely) she had no choice and was made to do bad things She got in over her head completely and there was no way out alive

What happened to the other two girls she went with do we know?

She always comes across to me as 'absent' in the thinking
department. I'm not convinced she could ever be trusted to
live in a non-majority muslim population again without being
susceptable to doctrim.

I agree with you 100% GrannyGravy. She's a product of the UK and we should deal with her. If she is still any danger to anybody, I think she's more dangerous as a loose cannon in a refugee camp or in any of the countries who will have her.

If she is returned to UK to stand trial we all know there will immediately be a campaign to either impose a very light sentence or no jail time at all.

Ask yourselves, would you be happy for this woman to be your next door neighbour, have close contact with your grandchildren, be free to attend a cinema, theatre or walk around a shopping centre frequented by you and your family.

She continued to voice support for the terrorist group and said she was sorry she had fled their last "stronghold".

I think she is still a follower and would be a danger if allowed back

If Shamima were brought here it would set precedence, you cannot pick and choose who the law applies to.

This girl was 15 when she ran away to what she probably thought was going to be a romantic marriage to a handsome fighter and happiness ever after. However when she gotto Iraq life was not what she expected, but she was trapped. if she tried to escape she would be killed, as a woman she had to do everything she was told to do, or again risk death. She had three children before she was 19, all of whom died within a few months of birth.

yes, she has done dreadfl tings, but did she do them willingly? She said many foolish things after ISIl collapsed, but she was living in refugee camps dominated by female groups who as adults joined and supported ISIL. Has anyone thought what would have happened to her if she had refused, or shown revulsion?

I have 15 yer old grand daughter. I hope she is more sensible, but in this country, almost daily 15 year olds run away from home, a girl her age was posted missing local to me only this week. Who knows who she is with, where she has gone. now in the UK, the likelyhood is that she will be back home within a week a sadder and wiser gitl. Shamima, because she ran away to Iraq, neve rhad that chance.

I believe that her passport should be returned to her, she should be extradited to the UK and put on trial here. Serve her sentence and then return to her family, older and much wiser. Thesecurity services will need to monitor her, ut essentially she is a 15 year old child who made a bad mistake, one that a number of girls her age, from all communities make, but while they usually quickly end back home, she went abroad to somewhere where once there she was trapped. I do not condone her actions, but I feel deeply sorry for the 15 year old she was.

I think she should have her citizenship restored, be returned to the UK to face such charges as can be brought here, and de-programmed, if possible.

I suspect that if she had been white, pretty, and articulate in English, there would have been a lot more sympathy for the fact that she was groomed and brainwashed.

I am neither denying nor condoning any atrocities she may have been involved in.

Didn't ISIS tell its followers to do all they could to return to their own country and carry on the fight there.

I think she is still dangerous and should be under observation by the police .

My initial honest thought on seeing the thread title was “Oh, not her again.”

She should be allowed to come back to the UK and face the courts here. Definitely no capital punishment, whatever the crime.

This is another effort to garner sympathy. Female members of ISIS are not, at the current time, being tried. IF she is put on trial there is no certainty that she will receive the death penalty. (The majority of the male members of ISIS who have been tried have not been executed or received a death sentence).

Let us not forget she said the sight of a severed head in a bin did not faze her, she was a member of the female "morality" police and said she agreed with the Yazidi women and young girls being used as sex slaves

She was so young and selfish and stupid, what an awful life she has has though. It didn’t help her case when interviewed that she came over as a bit not bothered and I think back and wonder if she realised the implications of what she did.. I can’t condone the death penalty but think at times people should have it for the most heinous crimes, but it’s not the way.

I don’t support the death penalty in any circumstances. I don’t think her UK citizenship should have been withdrawn. She should be allowed to return and face charges here if appropriate. I’m not sure if she has committed any crimes under UK law, perhaps a more savvy Gran could comment on that point.

We can’t judge can we H1954 and we ll never know if she did these things willingly, was threatened if she didn’t do them, or got carried away with the cause She was a very young impressionable girl barely out of childhood who probably had little idea of the consequences, she was driven along on a crest and although I don’t condone anything she did at all I agree with you Grannygravy she should be brought home and then see what happens here She’s had a pretty bad time herself losing a variety of babies and a husband and being in camps and prisons I don’t think she’s been living the best life

I never never would condone the death penalty either for anyone

I have changed my mind regarding Ms Begum over the last few years.

My initial reaction was to leave her in the camp and accept the conditions and the consequences of her actions.

I am now in the mind that she is a U.K. citizen (yes I know she has had her citizenship withdrawn, not sure if that is legal) and therefore the U.K.’s problem. She should be returned and put on trial here, and I do not believe in the death penalty.

Presumably not, or she wouldn't have made them.

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying she should be put to death? Do you approve of killing people for their actions as children? If so, is there a minimum age in your head for when they can be held responsible, even when they have been groomed?

Or are you saying that if she did fear for the victims of terrorism it should make a difference to her fate?