Shamima Begum

We will only know that when she is back in the UK and has been thoroughly debriefed.

We're all agreed she was a gullible teenager at the time. What we don't know is whether she will ever be safe to walk amongst us again. Which side of the fence has she chosen?

I am in absolute agreement with those above.

Almost every year a case hits the headlines of children the age SB was when she went to Iraq, running off with teachers, people who have groomed them on the internet (as SB was), men they meet on holiday and so on and for everyone that hits the headlines another 100 or so, if not more, are intercepted or are missing only hours. Nobody thinks twice about retrieving these children and restoring them to their families. I can see no reason why SB should not be treated in the same way.

As for her citizenship, she was born and brought up in this country, she is a British citzen. Good heavens, a huge swathe of the British population, including me, could get a passport for another country through parents or grandparents. Are we all to live in fear that if we do anything that upsets the government, we will have our citizenship withdrawn and be sent back to Ireland, or belgium or Sweden, or the USA, to name the 'second' country in mine or my friend's family story?

Well said Callistemon. SB was 15 when she was groomed and radicalised. It’s an age when youngsters can be seduced into all kinds of activities they’d turn away from a couple of years later

I agree with that too...

The dangerous situations some teens find themselves in is terrifying

Iam64

Sorry
This doesn’t mean I don’t believe that she’s a potential threat to others

Yes, I agree she could be.
But the thought of her possibly facing the death penalty because of a decision she made when she was 15 makes me feel sick.

There are teenagers, seemingly happy, sporty, with family who love them and friends who care yet who go on sites which persuade them to commit suicide.
Teenagers can be so susceptible and quite gullible as they are still finding their own way in the world.

Sorry
This doesn’t mean I don’t believe that she’s a potential threat to others

Yes I understand the link to Bangladesh through her father. I should have been clearer, strange they didn’t want her but seems accepted her. I agree with others in being concerned her British citizenship was revoked
This doesn’t mean i

Chewbacca

I'm sure that I remember reading that Bangladesh had said that if she went there, she would be executed due to their "zero tolerance on terrorism". But as she's never even set foot in the country I can't see her going there anyway.

So the government is comfortable with this young woman going to a country where she might be executed?
?

Bangladesh did say she wasn't a citizen. The argument seems to centre around her age and the fact that she needs to have affirmed her citizenship at 21. The UK argue she is because of a 1951 law. But I do wonder can one country insist another country must accept its citizen because its courts say so? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47312207

I'm sure that I remember reading that Bangladesh had said that if she went there, she would be executed due to their "zero tolerance on terrorism". But as she's never even set foot in the country I can't see her going there anyway.

Iam64

Glorianny, Google tells me SB has Bangladeshi citizenship as of 2020. As she’s never lived there - seems strange

Through her father, presumably.
That's not strange; many people have dual nationality through a parent. However, depriving her of her British citizenship is not right.

Glorianny, Google tells me SB has Bangladeshi citizenship as of 2020. As she’s never lived there - seems strange

DiamondLily

She's no longer a British citizen, so it's down to Bangladesh to make any legal representations.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/26/shamima-begum-cannot-return-to-uk-to-fight-for-citizenship-court-rules

Have Bangladesh accepted her as a citizen? They originally said they wouldn't.

She's no longer a British citizen, so it's down to Bangladesh to make any legal representations.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/26/shamima-begum-cannot-return-to-uk-to-fight-for-citizenship-court-rules

I read a book on seriel killers a long time ago, it was awful but veey interesting how FBI profilers work.

I too think we could understand a lot from her. We have alreadybbeard from some posters how important information was mishandled and how there were known influences im her life that were dangerous.

Not just to prevent naive and troubled teens from flyingaroad but from getting involved in this country

Glorianny

If she was to come back she would offer a unique insight into what was done to recruit her. There are others who have returned and been used to help with preventing radicalisation, stopping recruits to extreme fundamentalism. She and the others are in any case our responsibility. It seems we are now a country unwilling to take responsibility for anyone.

Your post reminded me of the early days in psychiatry, psychology, criminal justice in understanding what makes a serial killer. There’s a tv prog I think called Manhunter, based on those involved

Hopefully her story will put off anyone else going over there. She was desperate to get there, let her stop there

If she was to come back she would offer a unique insight into what was done to recruit her. There are others who have returned and been used to help with preventing radicalisation, stopping recruits to extreme fundamentalism. She and the others are in any case our responsibility. It seems we are now a country unwilling to take responsibility for anyone.

It also seems manifestly unjust to leave her/them over there, refusing them the right to return, and then saying that they are adults now, they’ve been there too long and will therefore be radicalised.

The sooner we’d let her come back, the more chance she could have been deprogrammed.

There are estimated to be at least 16 British women and between 35 and 60 British children detained in Syrian camps, according to international advocacy groups. Many of the women in the camp - including Shamima Begum, who left the UK aged 15 with two other east London schoolgirls - have been stripped of their British citizenship. Even if you don't care about the adults, surely you care about the children who are completely innocent.

Aren't there any other young women in the same situation? We only seem to hear about her. My main concern if she comes back here is that she will be released at some point and we cannot know whether she is still radicalised. She may be a psychopath in western sheep's clothing. After all, she has spend years in the company of wolves.

Cross posted Doodledog!

Yes, far too many factors to be considered as to what impelled young women to go to Syria Callistemon; and it's important that we know what they were, how they were recruited and how we stop any more families being ripped apart by terrorist ideologies. Attempting to reduce it down to just one unproven statement, based purely on one's own personal experiences, isn't plausible or helpful.

Exactly, Callistemon. The last thing we need when it comes to interpretations of law is emotion.

An understanding of how emotion can cause people to act unlawfully can be useful in mitigation, or could be used in debates to change the law; but laws have to stand as they are written whilst they are on the statute, otherwise people could break them without realising, or there could be inequitable treatment of the convicted based on who was believed when they talked about feelings.