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Proportional Representation

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varian Sat 18-Jun-22 10:22:43

Yesterday the biggest trade union Unison decisively backed a change to proportional representation for parliamentary elections.

At last year's Labour Party conference 80% of constituency representatives backed a change to PR but the motion was defeated by the union block vote. Subsequently the country's second biggest union, Unite, decided to support PR so we can now hope that the Labour Party will finally realise how damaging our undemocratic FPTP electoral system has been and support PR for future elections.

labourlist.org/2022/06/unison-vote-to-back-pr-hailed-as-huge-boost-by-electoral-reform-campaigners/

Fennel Thu 30-Jun-22 21:40:14

Thanks Ixey grin

varian Mon 25-Jul-22 14:12:07

The great benefit of FPTP, from the point of view of a hostile power, is that it allows much easier manipulation of elections to get the desired result - an actual majority of votes is not required.

Hence Donald Trump was elected with 3 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Boris Johnson got a "landslide" 80 seat majority with most voters voting against the Conservatives in 2019.

FPTP might be good enough for a puppet state like Belarus, but surely it should never be tolerated in a country aiming to be recognised as a liberal democracy?

Urmstongran Mon 25-Jul-22 20:21:28

Italy’s in a right mess though. ?
PR isn’t the Holy Grail.

varian Mon 25-Jul-22 20:40:21

Not one country which has changed from FPTP to PR has ever changed back.

PR is democratic. The government is the party or group of parties which together gained more than half the votes. Obviously it requires co-operation and compromise.

Co-operation is better than confrontation and willingness to compromise is a sign of maturity.

MaizieD Mon 25-Jul-22 20:42:38

So what if 'Italy is in a right mess'? It's not the only country in the world that has PR. And neither is Irael, before you quote them, too.

Urmstongran Mon 25-Jul-22 20:49:04

Cooperation and compromise. Sounds Utopian. I think the reality is the electorate don’t get what they want. And a lot of horse trading is done with unintended consequences.

Zonne Mon 25-Jul-22 20:51:12

Urmstongran

Cooperation and compromise. Sounds Utopian. I think the reality is the electorate don’t get what they want. And a lot of horse trading is done with unintended consequences.

But the majority of the electorate in the UK don’t get what they want now.

Urmstongran Mon 25-Jul-22 20:55:01

Pretty much A or B. Left leaning or Right.
C of course = the Lib Dems. They ALWAYS want PR! Unsurprisingly.