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First it was Jennifer, then it was Carrie…

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CvD66 Sat 18-Jun-22 18:11:39

..the now PM focused more on seeking to get his women money or positions of privilege than doing the job. Today’s revelations in the Times highlight how the PM sought to appoint Carrie (Symonds as was) with whom it was known he was having an affair, to a significant role in the Foreign office while he was Foreign Sec. This was directly against the ministerial code. In addition she lacked either the qualifications or experience for this £100kpa role! Colleagues prevented it from happening. So this is the person who ‘make all the right calls’?

MaizieD Mon 20-Jun-22 13:51:20

varian

I wonder why this story has now disappeared from The Times, Daily Mail and other news websites

Pressure. Editorial pressure? Proprietor pressure? Political pressure?

When the story broke (and quickly disappeared) on Saturday night there was speculation that it had been subject to an injunction. But the lawyers on twitter seemed to think not as there was nothing in it that would be grounds for an injunction.

Bearing in mind that the story dates possibly from 2021 (if GG13 is correct) and definitely from February of this year when it was mentioned in the book about Mrs J that was serialised in the Mail, I think that it's just hit the wrong time for Johnson's ethics to be questioned; just after the unexpected resignation of his ethics adviser. So No. 10 want it out of sight.

No. 10 has a fat chance of that, it's all over twitter and probably other social media.

varian Mon 20-Jun-22 11:58:03

I wonder why this story has now disappeared from The Times, Daily Mail and other news websites

maddyone Mon 20-Jun-22 11:57:57

I didn’t say it was an excuse though did I Maizie? I believe that nepotism is wrong wherever it is found, in government, the royal family, or the workplace. It’s wrong in my opinion.

MaizieD Mon 20-Jun-22 11:01:00

maddyone

I know that Maizie but just wanted to comment to Grany that I agree with her. I believe it is relevant.

Why is it relevant?

"Other people do it" is not a valid excuse, whether made by the culprit or by their apologists.

It's even less valid when thrown in as propaganda for a completely different campaign.

maddyone Mon 20-Jun-22 10:35:33

I know that Maizie but just wanted to comment to Grany that I agree with her. I believe it is relevant.

Glorianny Mon 20-Jun-22 10:27:24

I agree about the RF.

But I suspect there will be blokes thinking " it's OK to get your girlfriend a job if you can. It's what thoughtful geezers do. Look after your women (and if you're looking after more than one good luck to you)."

The conservative shires won't like it. But will it influence their voting? I doubt it. Bet they are all saying "we support the party not the man!"

MaizieD Mon 20-Jun-22 10:14:05

maddyone

Grany

People understandably concerned about the head of government and nepotism, but they'll be shocked when the see what our head of state has given her children.

I agree with you Grany.

Whataboutery doesn't contribute much to this thread, though.

maddyone Mon 20-Jun-22 10:11:54

Grany

People understandably concerned about the head of government and nepotism, but they'll be shocked when the see what our head of state has given her children.

I agree with you Grany.

maddyone Mon 20-Jun-22 10:11:24

RichmondPark

Apparently they were caught in his office in a compromising position by colleagues. Something Matt Hancock resigned over.

Yes that’s true. However the furore over Matt Hancock was really about Covid. The rest of the country were still being told to maintain safe working practices such as social distancing, masks, and screens in workplaces, whilst Matt Hancock was caught on video applying none of these precautions.

Grany Mon 20-Jun-22 09:55:28

People understandably concerned about the head of government and nepotism, but they'll be shocked when the see what our head of state has given her children.

Farzanah Mon 20-Jun-22 09:52:05

No it doesn’t MayBee Just have a look at Elegran’s post on Ian Hislop and the committee on lobbying to get a flavour of MPs ethics.

Chocolatelovinggran Mon 20-Jun-22 09:38:58

MayBee, how right you are.

MayBee70 Mon 20-Jun-22 09:24:53

Conservative MP’s must have known about this when they chose him to lead the party. It doesn’t say much about the party in general, does it?

Farzanah Mon 20-Jun-22 09:14:10

Well if suppression was the aim it ain’t working. Anyone seen what’s trending on Twitter?

CvD66 Mon 20-Jun-22 08:22:22

So why suppress it GrannyGravy13? It seems much of this came out in Lord Ashcroft's book serialised in Feb this year by...The Mail. However this story is now suffering the Streisand affect: a phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of increasing awareness of that information, often via the Internet.!

GrannyGravy13 Mon 20-Jun-22 08:12:12

This was in Alan Duncan’s Diaries, published early 2021, not exactly new news

Whitewavemark2 Mon 20-Jun-22 07:19:23

“While his wife of 26 years and mother of four of his kids was having multiple operations and treatment for cancer, Johnson was trying to appoint his mistress as his £100k pa, Chief of Staff.

The guy DRIPS WITH ETHICS. Of course he doesn't need an adviser.”

Whitewavemark2 Mon 20-Jun-22 07:16:09

More truth in this than first realised

Whitewavemark2 Mon 20-Jun-22 07:12:05

According to a Sky Editor, Carrie Johnson is behind the injunction on the Times, because there are other scandals that the Johnson’s are trying to keep a lid on.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 20-Jun-22 07:08:56

Johnson did a runner when he should have been in Doncaster, because he knew the story about Symonds was going to break.

CvD66 Sun 19-Jun-22 18:20:36

To add insult to injury, Carrie had to leave the job she did have at the time, due to poor performance and dodgy expense claims according to….the Daily Mail. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7230155/Boris-Johnsons-girlfriend-Carrie-Symonds-quit-job-Conservative-Party-expenses-claims.html

RichmondPark Sun 19-Jun-22 10:09:53

Marina Purkiss
@MarinaPurkiss
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2h
The leader of the opposition buying his mum a donkey sanctuary made the front pages

Our PM trying to give his mistress a £100k Govt job when Foreign Secretary did not

RichmondPark Sun 19-Jun-22 10:04:42

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
@campbellclaret
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2h
As I warned these Tory MPs many times, the one thing you know with Johnson is that there will always be another scandal just around the corner. It is who he is and what he does. And no amount of media cover up can save him from his own realities

RichmondPark Sun 19-Jun-22 09:54:33

Whitewavemark2

I’m beginning to wonder just how much is hidden from the public, with regard to Johnson’s behaviour.

Much, I suspect.

Despite this we know enough to form a clear opinion.

His school report, relationship history, employment history, what his mother, sister and colleagues have said of him and the evidence he has provided in writing during his career leave us in know doubt of the nature of the man.

Still his supporters defend him. Why?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 19-Jun-22 09:13:58

I’m beginning to wonder just how much is hidden from the public, with regard to Johnson’s behaviour.