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GrannyGravy13 Mon 20-Jun-22 14:07:02

PM Mr. Johnson has undergone surgery today (sinuses) and due to having a general anaesthetic Mr. Rabb is in charge.

CaravanSerai Tue 21-Jun-22 22:25:25

We've drifted away from the subject of the thread but speaking of former leaders I thought I'd share this long 2020 social media thread written by historian Robert Saunders author of Yes to Europe! The 1975 Referendum & Seventies Britain on the topic of Conservative thinking about food supply in the 1970s.

The 1970s was a decade of serious anxiety about food supplies. Norman Tebbit, of all people, urged the government to consider rationing basic foodstuffs. That played a significant role in the decision to join the EEC, and raises some important questions today.

The UK has not been able to feed itself since the early C19th. Even for an industrial economy, it is unusually dependent on imported food. And by the 1970s, a mixture of bad harvests, population growth, inflation & the collapse of Commonwealth agreements was starting to bite.

In 1974, for example, Caribbean sugar imports dropped by a third, as producers abandoned Commonwealth trade agreements and sold to more lucrative markets elsewhere. Supermarkets introduced informal rationing, and consumer organisations urged the public to stop buying sugar.

Later that year, the Ministry of Agriculture warned that Canada might suspend grain exports if the currency continued to decline. In November, Margaret Thatcher had to open her cupboards to journalists to prove that she wasn't hoarding food.

1974 also saw a bakers' strike, in response to rising costs and falling real wages. Some suppliers restricted shoppers to a single loaf each, prompting queues outside bakeries at dawn. Conservative MPs again raised the prospect of rationing.

The UK had joined the EEC in 1973, but was still operating under transitional arrangements on food and farming. So the 1975 EEC referendum saw a serious debate, of the kind we don't seem to be capable of anymore, about what leaving might mean for the supply and price of food.

Leave campaigners argued that prices would be higher in Europe, because production costs were greater and the Common Agricultural Policy was designed to ensure farmers a decent wage. Barbara Castle compared shopping bags in London and Brussels, as a warning against EEC prices.

Pro-Europeans responded by pointing to rising prices across the world. The days of cheap food from compliant colonial markets, they warned, were over. European prices might, in some years, be higher, but Britain would at least have a guaranteed source of supply.

As Margaret Thatcher warned: "In Britain we have to import every second meal. Sometimes we shall pay less in the Community, & sometimes we shall pay more. But we shall have a stable source of supply, & most housewives would rather pay a little more than risk a bare cupboard”.

The leader of the National Farmers' Union warned of "a clear threat to continued regular food supplies if Britain left the Market". Voters were urged to think of the EEC as "the Common Super-Market. Well-stocked shelves; plenty of choice and just around the corner”.

The food economy has changed radically since the 1970s. Production has boomed, transportation has improved & prices have fallen. At the same time, Britons have become less suspicious of "Continental" food, & used to abundant supplies reliant on "just-in-time" delivery chains.

Yet food poverty remains a desperate social problem. In the year before the pandemic, foodbanks gave out 1.9 million food parcels. The poorest 10% of households spend more than double the share of income on food of the richest. If prices rise, we know who will suffer most.

47 years after joining the EEC, it's legitimate to ask whether the old arguments for membership still hold. What's less forgivable is the stunning incuriosity of those tasked with delivering Brexit about why Britain joined, what changed with membership, & what's now at stake.

Perhaps Brexiters can find better solutions to the challenges that drove the UK to join. But pretending those challenges did not exist - as if Conservatives like Thatcher, Heath & Macmillan embraced membership in some bizarre spasm of irrationality - is a recipe for disaster.

Brexit requires us to rethink nearly every major policy choice since 1973. If we don't understand why those choices were made, we won't be ready for the decisions that lie ahead.

And here we are.

Casdon Tue 21-Jun-22 22:14:53

MayBee70

No. But it would be very interesting if it did! From what I’ve seen she absolutely loathes Johnson! And I don’t blame her. Can’t believe I look back nostalgically to a time when May represented us on the world stage confused

I understand. At least she could string a coherent speech together, comb her hair, and wasn’t a dishonest sleazeball. Also, she wore good shoes.

MayBee70 Tue 21-Jun-22 22:03:20

No. But it would be very interesting if it did! From what I’ve seen she absolutely loathes Johnson! And I don’t blame her. Can’t believe I look back nostalgically to a time when May represented us on the world stage confused

CaravanSerai Tue 21-Jun-22 20:35:40

Import Johnson attend the Tory Party Summer Fundraising Ball last night which he did.

It was held at the V&A a public body funded by the public which, according to the Code of Conduct for Board Members of Public Bodies says trustees should be and should be seen to be politically impartial and should not occupy a high-profile role in a political party. Nevertheless it has senior Tory party figures Nicholas Coleridge and Ben Elliot on its board. It should not have hosted this event.

Note someone paid £120,000 to have dinner with Johnson, May and Cameron - like that is ever going to happen.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jun-22 15:21:56

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Phil Harries
@fessdoc
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Jun 20
22 years as a NHS Consultant Rhinologist I’ve never operated upon someone’s sinuses under GA, recovered then and discharged them so they are home by 10am.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jun-22 14:25:47

MayBee70

JenniferEccles

Well if you are not suggesting it, why on earth did you make such a nasty snide remark WWMK2?
You just can’t help yourself can you?

Neither can Johnson when it comes to mistresses. Allegedly. ( sorry, I just couldn’t help myself either).

??

He is such an easy target isn’t he. One of the most immoral and corrupt ever.

StarDreamer Tue 21-Jun-22 13:15:00

Widespread knowledge of The Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle might mean lowering the incidence of wrong conclusions being supposed!

StarDreamer Tue 21-Jun-22 13:10:57

Callistemon21

"Did you say cocoa dear? No thank you dear, milk doesn't agree with me, upsets my sinuses" ?

A dentist told me that dairy products cause phlegm in some people.

Callistemon21 Tue 21-Jun-22 13:03:13

"Did you say cocoa dear? No thank you dear, milk doesn't agree with me, upsets my sinuses" ?

Callistemon21 Tue 21-Jun-22 13:01:35

Whitewavemark2

I have heard that cocaine use mucks up one’s sinuses. Not that I’m suggesting that is what is wrong with Johnson.

My MIL had a big operation on her sinuses

I'm sure she wouldn't have even heard of cocaine let alone ever use it!!

MayBee70 Tue 21-Jun-22 12:57:23

Ladyleftfieldlover

OH suspects he has Lymes disease! The GP will do one test but apparently this is often negative so a second test needs to be done. She didn’t even know about a second test but OH has done lots of research.

My sympathies. I was worried sick last year after I was bitten by a tick in an area where there are deer. It’s so important to get antibiotic treatment if it is Lyme disease. I phoned 111 and they were going to prescribe a course of antibiotics but then they decided that the medication would make me feel quite poorly and the chance of the tick carrying Lyme disease was quite low. It’s a horrible thing to have, though, and I think a lot of people in this country ( including GP’s) are unaware of the dangers.

StarDreamer Tue 21-Jun-22 11:43:16

Thank you, Ladyleftfieldlover.

I have found the following.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/lyme-disease/

Your OH may have already seen the above page, but better to know twice than not at all.

The page includes the following.

> 2 types of blood test are available to help confirm or rule out Lyme disease. But these tests are not always accurate in the early stages of the disease.

> You may need to be retested if you still have Lyme disease symptoms after a negative result.

That on the official NHS website.

Ladyleftfieldlover Tue 21-Jun-22 09:22:22

OH suspects he has Lymes disease! The GP will do one test but apparently this is often negative so a second test needs to be done. She didn’t even know about a second test but OH has done lots of research.

Deedaa Mon 20-Jun-22 23:38:34

Well you do get operations where mistakes are made and the patient is accidentally sterilised ..............but I suppose it's a bit of a stretch if you are starting at the sinuses!

I expect our Dominic spent a pleasant day wandering up and down the yellow brick road looking for a brain.

MayBee70 Mon 20-Jun-22 23:29:18

JenniferEccles

Well if you are not suggesting it, why on earth did you make such a nasty snide remark WWMK2?
You just can’t help yourself can you?

Neither can Johnson when it comes to mistresses. Allegedly. ( sorry, I just couldn’t help myself either).

JenniferEccles Mon 20-Jun-22 22:33:09

Well if you are not suggesting it, why on earth did you make such a nasty snide remark WWMK2?
You just can’t help yourself can you?

StarDreamer Mon 20-Jun-22 20:01:05

Ladyleftfieldlover

OH wants a particular blood test which his GP won’t do. So he has been trying to ring a private hospital in Oxford. He had been kept on hold for ages so he keeps giving up. Do we think that anyone with a few savings might be using private health care because of the waiting times? I know at least a couple of people who have done so.

I find that very concerning that a GP won't authorise a particular blood test that a patient has requested.

Could you possibly say what it is please, though not if you prefer not to.

The reason I ask is because at a routine check up, basically a well-man check up, by a nurse from the GP practice, some years ago, before the pandemic, a blood test was involved. I asked if a test for vitamin B12 level was involved, and was told not usually, but as I had asked it would be added in. Apparently a vitamin B12 test is not usually done (maybe just there, maybe generally) unless a patient is showing certain symptoms that may be due to low vitamin B12 levels.

I am just wondering if the particular test to which you refer is very expensive.

But even so, if the patient feels the need to ask, why does a GP refuse?

SueDonim Mon 20-Jun-22 18:11:44

Thank you, Silverlining. Part of the problem here is that I live in a remote area with no alternative hospitals and the NHS took over the small private hospital during Covid so that isn’t an option. I wasn’t too bothered about it during the pandemic but this is beyond a joke now.

Anyway, I have been contacted today to say that they hope to offer me a date between Aug-Nov. We shall see…..

GagaJo Mon 20-Jun-22 17:00:20

grumppa

Only sinuses? I can think of more appropriate operations for him.

Quite.

grumppa Mon 20-Jun-22 16:54:29

Only sinuses? I can think of more appropriate operations for him.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 20-Jun-22 16:35:13

I have heard that cocaine use mucks up one’s sinuses. Not that I’m suggesting that is what is wrong with Johnson.

silverlining48 Mon 20-Jun-22 16:05:57

Sue if you can get hold of your surgery you can ask to be refered to another hospital, or a private one which does this bread and butter surgery on the nhs. It might go against the grain but sometimes meeds must. You have waited long enough. Have a look at the hip hop thread, if it slips off the bottom of active, its on health. We are on the way to 1000 posts. Its supportive and very helpful.

As fir BJ dont suppose he has waited more than a few days....and re holding the fort, he's hardly if ever in his office anyway, 6 pm news shows him always gadding about in junior schools, factories, building sites, hospitals,etc etc far and wide.

Ladyleftfieldlover Mon 20-Jun-22 15:47:20

OH wants a particular blood test which his GP won’t do. So he has been trying to ring a private hospital in Oxford. He had been kept on hold for ages so he keeps giving up. Do we think that anyone with a few savings might be using private health care because of the waiting times? I know at least a couple of people who have done so.

CaravanSerai Mon 20-Jun-22 15:38:00

A day is a long time in politics.

Raab: the man James O'Brien very accurately described as The Most Wrong Person in Wrongland.

If you haven't much time, at least scrolll down to the LBC clip from 22 March 2019 near the bottom of this page. It is extraordinary.

www.indy100.com/news/things-dominic-raab-has-said-quotes-queen-take-the-knee-tory-austerity-9452561

This man isn't even popular in his own constituency of Esher, one of the wealthiest places the country.

Lets see if he can get through the day without making a fool of himself and all of us.

SueDonim Mon 20-Jun-22 14:34:58

Thank you, Tilly.