Human Rights Erosion- does this worry you?

nanna8 How do you suggest we do it? We are a democracy. We will have an election in due course. Our best hope at the moment is getting rid of Johnson. The fact that there are no 'pappabile' doesn't matter, however long the list of aspirants on the first leadership ballot, it will quickly slim down to two or three people, who can be scrutinised in detail.

Look at this way, with Johnson, we must surely have hit the bottom for corrupt venal leaders, now the only way can be up.

You ,the people, must stand up against your lying corrupt government. Get rid of them. Germany in the 1930s comes to mind.

Some of the commentators I've read have said that the effect of the Bill is to just make it more difficult and expensive for individuals to go to court to defend their rights.

Blair's act apparently had the effect of enabling most of the Convention rights cases to be heard and judged in the UK. The new Bill makes it more difficult for litigants to pursue a case in the UK courts, but, as it still recognises the rights established under the European Convention litigants can still take their cases to the ECHR. Which would happen more frequently than now. (I think I've got that right...)

The ? over this is, would the government recognise the rulings of the ECHR or would it be happy to break international law and ignore them.

David Allen Green does an interesting analysis:

davidallengreen.com/2022/06/oh-no-not-again-the-story-of-the-human-rights-act-and-of-the-new-bill-of-rights/

If we pull out of the European Court of Human Rights, we will be in a group of our own, even below Russia, which has signed but not ratified the document that set it up.

Is that really something to be proud of?

Whitewavemark2

Casdon

Germanshepherdsmum

But not all. My vote is for the supremacy of UK courts.

Mine isn’t. Such a system lends itself to corruption.

Yes particularly with this government you simply can’t trust it to retain the separation of powers.

Very very worrying.

NZ politics are very different to the UK. yet our laws are based on what our settlers brought with them from England. Even here our Human rights are being eroded in many ways. The 'sheep' are being herded toward the New World Order/Government by some very devious people.
Criminals get away with not paying for their crimes and the victims see no justice being applied at all. NZ is no longer a good place to live and our big cities very bad places to live. I could go on but I,m sure it has all been said before

GrauntyHelen

It doesn't just worry me it DISGUSTS me!

What GrauntyHelen says.

This has been their plan all along. Demonising the Human Rights Bill, by saying all sorts against it, so many "criminals and or illegal immigrants" using it to get whatever rights they demand. All a crock of course, these are our rights, yours, mine, the people sleeping in the streets. We may never need to use it but I would rather it was there.

Personally I think that if it doesn’t scare the hell out of you, then it’s because you don’t understand what is at stake…

It scares the living daylights out of me I dread to think what sort of country my Granddaughter is growing up in. Most people don't realise what is happening.

varian, thanks for the link.

Katy1950: "The human rights act only seems to help the wrongdoers in our country how many criminals are using the act to stay in our country"

When you say 'criminals' I guess you mean foreigners.

growstuff

katy1950

The human rights act only seems to help the wrongdoers in our country how many criminals are using the act to stay in our country

OK! So how many criminals have used the Act to stay in the UK? What's the answer?

Yes. I’d like to know that, too. Maybe the poster could do some research into it for me.

Campaign to change the system

www.electoral-reform.org.uk/

Yes, I am really worried about the direction our politicians are taking us in, but I struggle with understanding what action we can take to alter it. Have been signing petitions, etc., but under our current system I can't see how we can effect real change. Any suggestions?

it reminds me of somebody called Hitler

undines, what some people have already done when protest and legal routes seemed to be yielding little is to move to Europe where they feel they have more hope post-Brexit.
My own daughter and family did this and took their business with them.

This is another nail in the coffin I feel.

So sad, my grandfather came here to get away from Hitler and his regime.

I was told by a Leave voter that she wanted out of the EU because the European Court of Human Rights was preventing criminals from being deported. I told her that the ECHR had nothing to do with the EU but I don't think she believed me.

In the same wat another Leave voter said he wanted out because these Europeans never voted for us in the Eurovision Song Contest.

You are right "Maizie" when you point out that "It's the word 'European' that does it, volver. It's a real dog whistle. And look how well it works..."

undines

We live in very scary times
Many of us realise it
But what are we going to DO about it?
I wonder how many people saw what was going on when Hitler came to power?

That was the problem. Some did see it, but they were silenced or undermined.

We live in very scary times
Many of us realise it
But what are we going to DO about it?
I wonder how many people saw what was going on when Hitler came to power?

It doesn't just worry me it DISGUSTS me!

Worrying times. The erosion of human rights is an isidious process. Mhairi Black's speech a while ago was spot on and it made me think of Pastor Niemoller's words: " First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist...." and so on, ending up: " Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me".

sandelf

No - The supremacy the local law is one of the pillars of independence that define a country.

Where on earth did you get that idea?

Local laws can easily become the tools of a dictator unless there are overriding human rights laws.

sandelf

No - The supremacy the local law is one of the pillars of independence that define a country.

Really? Really?

Who told you that?

How apt this post is on the 6th anniversary of when a third of the voutry (17.4 million) fell for the lies of Johnson, Farage and Co, voting leave

I agree @whitewavemark2
We are fast becoming a dictatorship. This government is so openly corrupt that it beggars belief

Farzanah

It’s very concerning that rights and liberties are being eroded without seemingly most of the population having a clue, understanding, or some even caring.
We won’t wake up one morning and find our democracy has disappeared, it happens gradually, and we are on the pathway.
We don’t learn the lessons of recent history (or perhaps some do!)

I agree. The issue is that most people don't have a clue. They read about a couple of "headline" cases and they really don't seem to understand that the HRA offers them protection from a rogue government. They forget that we won't always have a Conservative government. Maybe one day, there'll be an extreme left-wing government - the HRA would protect them too. The whole point of universal human rights is that they are universal and do not favour a political party.