Tories lose both by-elections.

Oh yes trisher do hope she is ok

So glad these two seats voted as they did. That Tory majority needs to keep falling. He can do too much damage with it.
WW2 and Galaxy, hope you both feel better soon. Anyone got any idea where Trisher is? Hope she is ok.

CaravanSerai

Nadine Dorries has been entertaining the nation again via her Twitter gibberish.

… by-election results are an indication of absolutely anything at all.

This gov will remain relentlessly focused and continue to deliver for people during a post pandemic, mid-war, global cost of living challenge which no Prime Minister or gov has faced the likes of since WW11.

Discuss.

Nonsense

We havn’t got a 3 day week or 25% inflation or widespread unemployment.

Nadine Dorries has been entertaining the nation again via her Twitter gibberish.

… by-election results are an indication of absolutely anything at all.

This gov will remain relentlessly focused and continue to deliver for people during a post pandemic, mid-war, global cost of living challenge which no Prime Minister or gov has faced the likes of since WW11.

Discuss.

Nanna58

It doesn’t matter how bad thIngs get, I shall still need a bucket ready in case I see anymore pictures of Nadine Dorries looking all gooey eyed at that great lump Bojo ?

She makes me feel physically sick

@oldnproud
They probably don't read many if any at all. The following week my Conservative MP was sending people around doing leaflet drops for him! I tore up the leaflet and gave it back to the party member.

The voting at both elections was a protest about the behavior of the Tory MPs there are 56 who have sex related allegations against them, prominently both former MPs. In addition to that the Partygate fiasco showing that even the cabinet think they are above the rule of law and decency.

Rural Devon with a former 24000 Tory majority stayed at home they could not bring themselves to condone what the Tory party has become under Johnson. This is not mid term blues it is the core conservatives saying go.

Well let's face it, the majority of Tory MPs at the moment don't seem to recognise genuine dishonesty when it's right under their nose, so we shouldn't be too surprised at Braverman's ignorance. Private education mustn't be all it's cracked up to be!

Perhaps with making it compulsory for all tory voters to vote in every election (seeCaravanserai's earlier post), Johnson will introduce legislation to make it compulsory to declare what party you support when you register to vote and your vote is nullified if you vote for another party.

How anyone in the tory cabinet can accuse others of dishonesty and not be hit by the heavenly bucket of excrement is beyond me...

CaravanSerai

Yes DiamondLily. I understand the casual pact of not fielding a candidate but that isn't what happened here.

Lib Dems got votes 508 in Wakefield.

Lab got 1562 votes in Tiverton.

In a close contest that could affect the final result.

I still don't understand Braverman's allegation of a "dishonest" pact between the two parties.

Dishonest spin?

Yes DiamondLily. I understand the casual pact of not fielding a candidate but that isn't what happened here.

Lib Dems got votes 508 in Wakefield.

Lab got 1562 votes in Tiverton.

In a close contest that could affect the final result.

I still don't understand Braverman's allegation of a "dishonest" pact between the two parties.

Callistemon21

^And in case it needs saying again, disagreeing with someone is not the same as bullying.^
I so agree, volver

I think with some issues, (not all about this one), the minority voices say they feel "bullied*.

If everyone keeps it polite, it's not really bullying though.

GrannyGravy13

Cannot disagree whitewavemark2 some of the lesser known faces need to
step up and make themselves heard.

I think that if another couple of cabinet ministers have the cajones to resign it will
be the beginning of the end of Mr.Johnson’s leadership.

I honestly don't know why they are clinging on to a sinking ship. Perhaps they think one or two of the alternatives could be even worse!

And in case it needs saying again, disagreeing with someone is not the same as bullying.
I so agree, volver

DiamondLily

It's exactly the same sort of casual "pact" that UKIP/Brexit Party and the Tories stitched up in 2019.

They stood back, to allow the Tories a free run at a seat. To get "Brexit done".

Farage says it's turned out wrong now - Johnson has botched Brexit, and is hopeless at leading the country, but that's what they did then.

Labour would never have won Tiverton, and the LDs would never have won Wakefield. It made sense that both parties concentrated on what they could (and did) win.

But, to clarify, both parties DID stand candidates, in the respective areas.. They just didn't campaign very hard.

It's exactly the same sort of casual "pact" that UKIP/Brexit Party and the Tories stitched up in 2019.

They stood back, to allow the Tories a free run at a seat. To get "Brexit done".

Farage says it's turned out wrong now - Johnson has botched Brexit, and is hopeless at leading the country, but that's what they did then.

Labour would never have won Tiverton, and the LDs would never have won Wakefield. It made sense that both parties concentrated on what they could (and did) win.

CaravanSerai

What is this "dishonest" Lib Dem - Labour pact that Suella Braverman is talking about on BBC News? The interviewer did not ask her to elaborate. Both parties fielded candidates in yesterday's by-elections. Am I missing something?

The dishonest spin has started. Next it will be taxes will go up, and the economy go pear-shaped. Oh, wait………….

But be in no doubt the spin- mongers will be frantic.

Their trouble is that they haven’t been honest about themselves, so how can they be trusted to be honest about their opponents?

DiamondLily

MayBee70

How exactly did we end up in this situation of having someone so incompetent leading the country. And now we have him why does it seem to be impossible to get rid of him, especially as even his own party are now embarrassed by him?

Brexit, innit....?

But the trouble is it isn’t.

It has gone totally tits up but not being reported, although Smogg did have the grace to say that we should have stayed in the single market.

The only part of the U.K. that is doing well is NI and they are still in the EU.

Today is 6 years since the Brexit vote and not only is there any discernible benefit, but in fact we are going rapidly backwards.

MayBee70

How exactly did we end up in this situation of having someone so incompetent leading the country. And now we have him why does it seem to be impossible to get rid of him, especially as even his own party are now embarrassed by him?

Brexit, innit....?

How exactly did we end up in this situation of having someone so incompetent leading the country. And now we have him why does it seem to be impossible to get rid of him, especially as even his own party are now embarrassed by him?

I've got to say that I've not been a Tory since 1979.

DH, however, was a Tory, always. Some pretty lively conversations took place...

As for Johnson, well, I'm a Londoner, and "I lived the dream" of him being London Mayor.?

A disaster on all fronts - hundreds of millions wasted on crackpot, vanity projects, endless lies, money unaccounted for, and totally hopeless in all that mattered.?

He did support being. in the EU then though..

But, from the moment Johnson became Tory leader, my husband stopped voting Tory - as far as he's concerned, Johnson is just a corrupt, self serving liar.

I'm glad Starmer is leader of Labour - neither of us would ever have voted for Corbyn, so election times are easy.

We can both vote Labour - happy days! ?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKC180Axz3A

You've probably seen this before, but it clearly shows that he started rotten and still is, and no way is he going to change.

What is this "dishonest" Lib Dem - Labour pact that Suella Braverman is talking about on BBC News? The interviewer did not ask her to elaborate. Both parties fielded candidates in yesterday's by-elections. Am I missing something?

Very different to my MP (Labour)

He replies very quickly with a thoughtful well written letter.

So, yes I guess it might be a staff member, although I doubt it as you sort of know a persons “voice” but even if it was it is his name.

Happygirl79

Oldnproud

Reading between the lines of Dowden's resignation letter, I think it's easy to guess who he feels should take responsibility.

Personally, I would extend blame well beyond Johnson. All Tory MPs who have continued to support him no matter what, keeping him in power in spite of his blatantly obvious unsuitability, are responsible.

My thoughts exactly. I emailed my MP about Johnsons continuous lying to the public and got a stock copy and paste response. He has apologised. Move on etc.
I thanked him for his copy and paste response and told him not to expect my vote. I reminded him that our MPs are there to act for their constituents not themselves nor the political party

It sounds like you and I sent almost identical letters to our MPs, and had similar responses too.

I wonder how many emails/letters they actually read. I presume they have staff who pick out any that they think need to be seen by the MP, consigning the rest to the bin and mailing a generic cut-and-paste response to the senders.