Doctors want a 30% pay rise!

We need many more doctors, in part because of Brexit.
We must pay them enough that they want to stay in the NHS.
No, 30% is not too steep.
The excuse used for CEO s etc, is that we would not get the quality without the high salary. Let's us apply the same logic to doctors.

I'm only guessing but perhaps the merchant bankers donate more to the Conservative party than the doctors so obviously they're never going to get as good a deal.

No.

Urmstongran

I’ve not said the doctors are lazy.
I just think 30% is a bit steep, no?

No.

I’ve not said the doctors are lazy.
I just think 30% is a bit steep, no?

Urmstongran

Ever since Labour gave them these ridiculous contracts it’s been a free for all.

The BMA is a trade union full stop, controlled by a vociferous left wing group.

Junior doctors contracts have been drastically changed under the Tory Government.
www.gov.uk/government/news/doctors-contracts-fit-for-the-21st-century
The claim for 30% is legitimate, it merely recognises the year on year NHS salary deficits under the Tory government. The rest of the NHS is in the same position. The rest of the public sector is in a similar position.

In the sort of market economy that many of you admire, there is supply and demand. If we need doctors to stay hear, we must pay the market rate, or they will leave. Especially if we tell them they are lazy.
Why not aim your anger at bankers bonuses.

Who do you think is more valuable to society?
a) a doctor
b) a merchant banker

Which of these has the highest salary.

People don't always embark on careers just because they want lots of money.

People sometimes embark on careers because they think it is a worthwhile way of contributing to society.

But eventually, if we ignore them long enough and tell them they are greedy and earn too much anyway and that they have easy lives, they'll say f*** it and go and do something else instead, in another country.

They could earn double that as a newly qualified solicitor in the City. Why do they do it? I have no idea.

Benefit of Brexit, leavers said. No nasty foreigners undercutting wages for British workers. So no Brexit voter can disapprove of being proved right, surely?

Or was that only meant to apply to plumbers?

My daughter's pay before allowances for working nights, weekends, 12 hour shifts bank holidays etc is less than that of a train driver. She is literally taking life and death decisions every single working day (and night). She has 12 years of training behind her and another 5 minimum before becoming eligible for a consultant post. Fairly paid? No, I don't think so and she could move abroad, be paid a lot more and have a much better work/life balance. She doesn't have the luxury of being able to work for another employer like other highly qualified people.

Thanks Annajay.

Ever since Labour gave them these ridiculous contracts it’s been a free for all.

The BMA is a trade union full stop, controlled by a vociferous left wing group.

SueDonim

Oh good! My dd might be able to afford to buy a house if she gets a 30% pay rise!

Many doctors work a four day week but with long hours. I think by the time my dd had done 4 x 12.5hr shifts in a row, she’s earned a day off.

Agree absolutely with this.
Long hours, lots of pressure, pay rise earned.
That does not mean that other people do not also deserve a decent wage.

Incidentally GP's are self-employed. Hospital doctors are employed by the NHS.

If you want GPs or hospital doctors to leave in droves and make it even more difficult to access health care than it is now don’t bother treating them like professionals, make them work lengthy shifts in stressful conditions, don’t bother to pay them salaries commensurate with their skill and expertise and slag them off at every opportunity.

TerriBull

Going back to criminal barristers, one of my husband's grandchildren is a fairly newly qualified barrister, they really don't earn that much until they become very well established, she certainly doesn't.

I think it said on the News that after 23 years, they were on £63000 or £68000.

Not a huge salary, compared to some other professions, after all that time.

'Want' doesn't always 'get' as my Gran used to say........followed by 'and you have to deserve it'!

Going back to criminal barristers, one of my husband's grandchildren is a fairly newly qualified barrister, they really don't earn that much until they become very well established, she certainly doesn't.

Not sure GG13. These are (perhaps) the younger doctors - not consultants - in hospital A&Es and out patient settings.

The BMA (which is quite a militant union are in Brighton for their annual representatives meeting. Feelings are running high and there is a lot of anger. And great admiration for the RMT strike.

Oh heck. This summer is about to become very disruptive I fear.

Are these the same Doctors who cut their hours and will not work overtime due to compromising their pensions and tax relief?

Annajay

Smileless, this has nothing to do with GPs. It is hospital doctors who are looking for a pay increase.

It is another Brexit bonus, of course, because so many EU doctors went back to Europe.

Smileless, this has nothing to do with GPs. It is hospital doctors who are looking for a pay increase.

Oh good! My dd might be able to afford to buy a house if she gets a 30% pay rise!

Many doctors work a four day week but with long hours. I think by the time my dd had done 4 x 12.5hr shifts in a row, she’s earned a day off.

That's a brexit bonus Smileless. There was no problem six years ago.