Resignation speech

Did everyone know that he got £420,000 for stepping down, and that those who accepted cabinet posts then resigned got £16k for their 'service' of a few hours?

That beggars belief, doesn't it? Get sacked for telling lies and being a general liability, and get the thick end of half a million quid as a golden handshake.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks no other PM would support Ukraine.

farnorth I’ve no idea how he did it- perhaps the Catholic Church considers marriages performed outside Catholic ones to be invalid. Still must be hard on his children and ex wives. He sounds more like Henry V111.

maddyone

Maybee
I remain concerned about Ukraine. BJ is now out of power so I’m not concerned about any links with Russia. I hope we will still be able to support Ukraine.

BJ might be 'out of power', but he is still in a position to be a security risk. Which is why he shouldn't be in that position.

I'm sure that we will continue to support Ukraine. Ben Wallace seems to be perfectly competent at Defence; I suspect he is quite a driving force.

Couldn't agree more TwiceAsNice

Maybee
I remain concerned about Ukraine. BJ is now out of power so I’m not concerned about any links with Russia. I hope we will still be able to support Ukraine.

How did he get his marriages annulled if they were legal marriages which produced children and why would the Catholic church accept him anyway? I thought they were very fussy about who they'll perform marriage ceremonies for.

The NHS is staffed by a large % of those born abroad - without them we would be in an even more parlous state. More immigrants have arrived since Brexit than before , so controlling our borders hasn’t worked has it? Anyone moaning about not getting a GP appointment should blame the government who are in charge , not the immigrants who are more likely to work in the NHS than use it. Johnson’s misdemeanours weren’t just lying to a few random women or eating cake - there’s a whole list of his failings which have led to the U.K. being at the bottom of the growth list compared with other G7 countries, the cock up that has been Brexit, appointing serial sex pests, trying to cover up inappropriate behaviour, failing to take the pandemic seriously , meeting KGB agent without telling the FO, trying to get his mistress a job, numerous lies in parliament, wasting public money on track n trace and dishing out huge contracts and peerages to cronies, getting his first two marriage annulled and making his first four children illegitimate so he could get married in a Catholic church, all these and much much more. It looks like anyone who supports him obviously supports dishonesty and immorality.

Susie3042: "No way you can get a doctor's appointment."

I agree, this is deplorable. Why don't you ask a doctor/nurse how this has come about. I bet you they won't say it's because their surgeries are full of illegal immigrants.

Do you know what would happen if all immigrant doctors and nurses left the UK?

Susie3042

You miss the point, being kind is a wonderful thing, and I too do things for people that I can afford in my time and money .
Young ,fit men who have enough money to pay for ILLEGAL entrance in to a country , women and children desperately need our help. Not fit young men with enough money to pay traffickers
I cannot believe that you really do need to be told the difference between these people
Perhaps you are lucky that your grandchild isnt in a class of 35
( no more land available to build another school or health centre
No way you can get a doctor's appointment. Travelling from A to B very difficult
We cannot go on building a town every year , to house people who want to come here

Refugees are not illegal immigrants. Do stop posting nonsense.

And please provide evidence for your numbers.

He certainly didn't stand to prosecute allegations of sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile when in charge of the CPS

Oh, not this pile of repeatedly disproved bull again.

Full Facts fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

Susie3042 Given the shortage of workers we are experiencing now in the UK, do you not think that workers from overseas would be very welcome? They would fill vacancies, pay tax, contribute to society.

The fact that one can't get a GP appointment is not due to people coming from overseas, it's due to 12 years of chronic underfunding by our Conservative government.

15% of NHS staff are immigrants
20% of GPs qualified abroad

Only 6% of land in the UK is built on.

ThanksMayBee, I don’t need to quote orly’s incorrect and untrue slur against Starmer.
It’s scraping the barrel to try and blame Starmer for the various mistakes in different police forces.

The other issue is the reluctance amongst the first young women to make formal allegations to the police to support formal investigation and possible prosecution.

This is so similar to what happened to the victims in the allegations against the mp Pincher.

You miss the point, being kind is a wonderful thing, and I too do things for people that I can afford in my time and money .
Young ,fit men who have enough money to pay for ILLEGAL entrance in to a country , women and children desperately need our help. Not fit young men with enough money to pay traffickers
I cannot believe that you really do need to be told the difference between these people
Perhaps you are lucky that your grandchild isnt in a class of 35
( no more land available to build another school or health centre
No way you can get a doctor's appointment. Travelling from A to B very difficult
We cannot go on building a town every year , to house people who want to come here

orly

TwiceAsNice

He did get brexit some others didn’t. I think they all cocked up the pandemic and labour would have us still locked up wearing a mask! He is flawed on a lot of things( as was Tony Blair) but I fear for Ukraine now he’s gone because the rest of Europe couldn’t care less. Be careful what you wish for it’s just going to get worse. Starmer doesn’t stand up for anything!

He certainly didn't stand to prosecute allegations of sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile when in charge of the CPS (cf Starmer's criticism of Johnson's appointment of Chris Pincher despite accusations sexual abuse)

Stop Press: Starmer cleared of BeerGate! What a Cop out!

Not this allegation again which has proved to be untrue over and over again.

TwiceAsNice

He did get brexit some others didn’t. I think they all cocked up the pandemic and labour would have us still locked up wearing a mask! He is flawed on a lot of things( as was Tony Blair) but I fear for Ukraine now he’s gone because the rest of Europe couldn’t care less. Be careful what you wish for it’s just going to get worse. Starmer doesn’t stand up for anything!

He certainly didn't stand to prosecute allegations of sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile when in charge of the CPS (cf Starmer's criticism of Johnson's appointment of Chris Pincher despite accusations sexual abuse)

Stop Press: Starmer cleared of BeerGate! What a Cop out!

why the fury when he has been caught out telling a couple of 'fibs' - he has had a fairly busy love life and in order to that one probably needs to be able to talk one's way out of a situation!

DaisyL Are we meant to admire the special skills of deception that Johnson has developed during his many years of cheating on his wife with a string of other women?

It was technically a good speech, typically Boris the journalist at his best. The parting line set out what his future is from now, probably TV, a talk show, book deal for the fastest written memoir ever, at least two newspaper columns maybe even President Zelenski of Ukraine will offer him a job. I must admit Boris was always a guilty pleasure, great to watch, he made British politics cool and interesting for 3 years instead of prim, proper dull as ditch water. Now it will be back to a 'wallpaper' PM, instantly forgettable on a global stage, that aside we are still now a 'banana republic' in comparison to others in Europe and beyond.

how many of you bent / broke the rules far more than he did during Lockdown, and got away with it?

Just guessing, but I dont' think too many GNetters were having raucous, suitcase full of booze, swing breaking, vomiting on the floor Abba all nighters during lockdown. Nor were they lying about it repeatedly in parliament.

I’d be grateful Susie3042 if you could

- explain the difference between illegal immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers
- provide evidence for your claims re the numbers of illegal immigrants

Thank you.

Susie,
I'm truly sorry you feel as miserable as you do.

I am grateful every day for my own good fortune in that I have a roof over my head and food in my belly.
Those of us who have worked, helped in a personal way or volunteered with a person or any group of people who are marginalised or underprivileged are not blind to the problems we face here in the UK but we are, nevertheless, fortunate compared to many fleeing wars, torture and oppression elsewhere.

Try not to be so bitter against those with nothing.
every person is just that. A person, like you and me.
Why is trying to be "kind" so dreadful?

(Also, your comments about Carrie Johnson aren't very nice to be honest.)

jennyvg

DaisyL I also had the same thoughts about the people on this site when I joined, I also thought they would be a jolly, friendly bunch, soon found out the truth though. Wavemark2 be careful about stating that everyone is entitled to an opinion, I was asked why I needed to state that fact by a member a few days ago, apparently she finds in irritating, you have been warned

I'm afraid that anyone who wants to be completely agreed with has come to the wrong place on News and Politics, where 'opinions' are challenged.

Lots of nice friendly threads on other forums.

Autumnrose

Am I the only one who’s heard that Boris wants to stay on as PM so that he has access to Chequers for his planned summer wedding party?

Old news. He was intending to have his wedding celebration there, but he's been 'persuaded' to go elsewhere.. Probably because it was reported in some of the press this morning...

DaisyL I also had the same thoughts about the people on this site when I joined, I also thought they would be a jolly, friendly bunch, soon found out the truth though. Wavemark2 be careful about stating that everyone is entitled to an opinion, I was asked why I needed to state that fact by a member a few days ago, apparently she finds in irritating, you have been warned

maddyone

I am concerned about Ukraine. I hope whoever succeeds BJ will continue to support them. I worry about Putin, and the effect all western leaders have on his thinking. ? that the new leader will be supportive.

I am concerned about Johnson’s links with Russia. Maybe his friendships with KGB members gave Putin the idea that western leaders would turn a blind eye to him invading Ukraine.