No Fine for Starmer

There really isn't one rule for Conservatives and Labour can do what they like.

There are rules for everyone, and a number of Tories have been found guilty of breaking them.

I'm working class that's where life took m e
Someone has to be Idont feel ashamed as person above suggested
Why would I ?

They had an event apparently but it looked like a party
Sick of one rule for conservatives but Labour can do what they like
Including acting like silly children in par ligament and loving every minute of someone having to resign Who was that pretending to play a violin when the Prime minister spoke

DaisyAnne

The time spent waiting for the Durham announcement has not been wasted WWM they have plans and structures in place to begin to carry out those plans. They have asked some good minds to look into them too.

Yes I see that they are employing Gordon Brown and Blunkett amongst lots of others. Experience counts for a lot. They each have a particular remit.

I believe we have to be fair and say that Sir Keir Starmer was working and did need to eat, also those working with him, so really no case to answer.

Lexisgranny

The team ‘working class’ has really bugged me for years, particularly knowing the hours put in by some family members running their own businesses and others in senior positions (granted earning good salaries), but working evenings and weekends without the benefit of overtime pay. This is in no way intended as being detrimental to the hard workers in ‘the working classes’, whom I wholeheartedly support, but I just wish another term could be found.

Are you not happy for your family members to be included in 'working class', as they have worked so hard? What would you prefer them to be called?

The time spent waiting for the Durham announcement has not been wasted WWM they have plans and structures in place to begin to carry out those plans. They have asked some good minds to look into them too.

We are going to grow Britians economy he said that more than a few times

And two flags.

Did anyone listen to Starmer’s speech on the economy a couple of days ago?

What a contrast to what we are hearing from the Tory candidates.

The motion fell by 108 votes to 51. Of Labour’s 167 peers – more than enough to have pushed through the amendment – only three defied Starmer’s order. In a rambling speech, close Starmer ally Jenny Chapman said the party would support the free school meals plan (amendment 58), but only if the government also supported it.

"I can understand why we’re seeing campaigns for a right to food... But there’s a note of caution to sound."

Former MP
@PhilWilsonXMP
argues that calls for a right to food reduce the ambition for our country rather than extend it:

labourlist.org/2022/07/calls-for-a-right-to-food-curtail-ambition-for-our-country-rather-than-extend-it/

The team ‘working class’ has really bugged me for years, particularly knowing the hours put in by some family members running their own businesses and others in senior positions (granted earning good salaries), but working evenings and weekends without the benefit of overtime pay. This is in no way intended as being detrimental to the hard workers in ‘the working classes’, whom I wholeheartedly support, but I just wish another term could be found.

Grany

Farzanah

Really?

Yes really.

Labour are working on a free school meals policy for the same demographics as the Lib Dem amendment.

Labour abstained because they considered the amendment badly drawn up, meaning it would face problems later in its passage if indeed it got through which of course it didn’t.

One has to be grown up about these things.

growstuff

Galaxy

Yes growstuff I am four miles from Durham we have a Tory mp ( the one who prompted the beer gate enquiry for Starmer) first Tory mp in our constituency for nearly 70 years.

I don't live in the area, so I don't have first-hand knowledge of why Durham now has more Conservative MPs than Labour (although I could guess). It would appear the traditional "working class" weren't too enamoured with the previous Labour leader.

I think it was 'Get Brexit Done', too.

I'm in the same constituency as Galaxy. I don't think our former Labour MP was particularly well liked, either. We had previously had a long standing MP whose family had been well respected in local politics for decades. She lived locally and was well known. I think it makes a difference...

But our tory MP's majority is slim..

Farzanah

Really?

Yes really.

It's not really a surprise though is it. Just what one would expect from Starmer.

Really?

Wow. Utterly bewildering vote in the Lords this evening.

Lib Dem Lord Storey moved amendment 58 of Schools Bill to provide free school lunches to all pupils in households receiving universal credit.

Labour whipped to abstain. The amendment failed.

Galaxy

Yes growstuff I am four miles from Durham we have a Tory mp ( the one who prompted the beer gate enquiry for Starmer) first Tory mp in our constituency for nearly 70 years.

I don't live in the area, so I don't have first-hand knowledge of why Durham now has more Conservative MPs than Labour (although I could guess). It would appear the traditional "working class" weren't too enamoured with the previous Labour leader.

True, but very often the guys running the company are employees too (unless they're the owners) and have targets and deadlines just like anybody else. My definition of a worker is somebody who has to earn an income rather than having assets and living from the interest. Of course, there are some people who do both. I just find the definition not really relevant these days. I don't think politics is described in terms of people's employment either.

I did think the second one was interesting, "growstuff". If you don't have agency in your job, it is very different to the guys running the company, albeit on a wage or salary, who can determine what they do and how they do it.

Yes growstuff I am four miles from Durham we have a Tory mp ( the one who prompted the beer gate enquiry for Starmer) first Tory mp in our constituency for nearly 70 years.

DaisyAnne

"Working class" used to describe people in low-paying jobs often requiring considerable physical labour but limited skill or education.

I heard an updated descripion the other day which said that working class defines those that earn through wages or salaries and do not define their work.

That's not a quote but roughly what was said.

I agree! It's an outdated term. Nearly everybody has to work for their living, whether on a building site, in a factory, a call centre, a shop, a school, an office, as a delivery driver or a care worker etc etc.

"Working class" used to describe people in low-paying jobs often requiring considerable physical labour but limited skill or education.

I heard an updated descripion the other day which said that working class defines those that earn through wages or salaries and do not define their work.

That's not a quote but roughly what was said.

I think that Annie knows a great deal about the origins of the Labour Party.